From: Adam Flinton 

Geo. wrote:

> "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message
> news:90935f.5a51c4{at}harborwebs.com...
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>
>>True. So each proprietary company is a group but the whole of OSS from
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> Eclipse
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>>to BSD to Linux to Apache to JBoss etc are all 1 group?
>
>
> Not necessarily but yes they can be depending on whether or not they all
> contribute to the same distribution.
>

Surely what's in the distro is up to the distro? I.e. RH is looking to
bundle the ObjectWeb stuff (Jonas, Joram et al). It's not up to the Jonas
people to bundle Jonas into RH it's up to RH.


>
>>Neither is the full distrib of a major dist vs windows. Where are the
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> couple of
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>>SLQ db'es, the 3 or 4 Office suites, the compilers, the 5 or 6 GUI'es, the
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> 9 or
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>>10 editors etc.etc. on Windows?
>
>
> I understand what you are saying but it's being marketed as RedHat Linux a
> competitor to Windows. A competitor by definition makes it the same type of
> product.
>

Hummm. So I want to serve web pages. Name the competing
"solutions" to my need.

So a little eden fan free with linux or Win2K is the same as a honking
great Unix box?

Ditto wrt running a DB or running an app server. i.e. if the application is
what matters then almost anything with an e-pulse could be a choice &
thus a competitor.


>
>>So then if one was to narrow it to "OS'es wot run on a
PC" you're still
>
> running
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>>the gamut from 5mb to 2-3GB of s/w wrt "linux".
>
>
> Fine assume they are not the same type of product, then I guess RedHat has
> no hopes of every replacing Windows on the desktop, right? You see where
> your assumption fails?
>

Nope. Coz a PDA + Keyboard+ Monitor+ethernet could be a desktop solution.
Look at the wyse thingies as an example.


> Now the reason all the stuff in the distribution must be counted as part of
> the product is because, as just one example, a flaw in a browser can
> compromise the whole product. As the IE team has so aptly proven with NT,
> you are only as secure as your weakest code..
>

The weakest code **you have installed/loaded**. No IIS, no IIS hacks possible etc.

Noone is forcing you to install anything other than the base level stuff.
No req to install mysql or gaim etc.etc.

>
>>Not at all. Is a low end el-cheapo car comparable to a medium range or
>
> high
>
>>range car? They're all cars. I think you'll find if you open a
"Car"
>
> magazine
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>>you'll see a range of diferrently priced & equipped models & makes of
>
> "car".
>
> a gas powered radio controlled MODEL car is the same as a Cadillac? You
> can't even ride in a model car.. now if you want to compare a sub compact
> with a luxury car for safety features or theft prevention, ok fine. But a
> watch and a desktop PC are like the toy vs the real car, one is disposable
> the other is not.
>

Hummm...is this:

http://www.flipstartpc.com/

A PC?

Or is it a model car?

Adam

>
>>Exactly my point to Rich. He keeps wittering on about "linux" being
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> insecure or
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>>having vulns etc where he means the additons to linux the distro maker has
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> made
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>>most of the time.
>
>
> Rich has been going on about RH version 9, you are the only one I've seen
> calling it by just "Linux". If Rich did say just
"linux" in one sentence
> somewhere it was probably in response to you calling it just
"linux" and he
> thought it was understood that there is no just "linux" but
that you are
> actually talking about one of the distributions.
>
> Geo.
>
>

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