graham, must confess to agreeging with you absolutely, i've tried to make
the point myself that what is needed is a sea(?) change, and that is only
likely to occur via a change of government. I will say in agreement with
both bob and rod that button was a minister who did good things, in fact
much of the keating before the hawke challenge was ok, apart from the
1985(?) wheels off the cart episode, bu the fact is this is a tired old
complacent government with no momentum except for peripheral issues, and
frankly i'll welcome the opportunity to wish them well on their way at the
next election. Sometime i'm afraid i could not have said until lazarus
howard returned.....regards

--- Maximus/2 2.01wb