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to: CHARLES MIELKE
from: HUBERT BARNICH
date: 1997-06-18 21:23:00
subject: Lockheed F-104 informatio

Hi Charles,
In a message of  to Robert Lockhorst (), you wrote:
 RL>i'm looking for as much info on the F-104 'Starfighter' as possible.
 RL>These include datafiles, pics, performance specs, version differences, 
nd
 RL>all other related information there can be...
 RL>Maybe even blue-prints, or electrical schemes ?
 RL>Who knows where i can find it ?
 RL>Thanks a lot for any hints.
 CM>     Check the book stores and your local library - I've seen
 CM> literally dozens of books on aircraft. Look for a Jane's
 CM> book, also.
 CM>     The aircraft was built by Lockheed, which also built the
 CM> F-80, F-94, T-33, and the U-2. You can see the family resemblance
 CM> in the latter aircraft.
 CM>     Lockheed used to be in Burbank, California, and maybe is
 CM> still there. Seems like they merged with the Martin company,
 CM> but I might be wrong there.
 CM>     I flew the F-104A and B models from about 1959 to 1963.
 CM> The only weaponry it carried was Sidewinders, the Gar-8, if
 CM> I remember correctly. The F-104C and D models carried one
 CM> 20 mm Gatling gun, in addition to the Sidewinders.
 CM>   Other countries bought the F-104. The F-104G was flown
 CM>   by West Germany, and the F-104J was flown by Japan.
KLu, BAF, ITAF, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Turkey, Spain (-C model)...
 
CM>   These might have been built by Messerschmitt and Mitsubishi,
 CM>   but my memory is hazy on that.
Fokker, SABCA, and many more!
 CM>   Lockheed developed the F-104 independently of any contract
 CM> by the USAF, then sold it to the USAF. During the development
 CM> and design, the size and gross weight ballooned to the point
 CM> where they scrapped the plans and started all over. This was
 CM> run by Kelly Johnson at the Skunk Works in Burbank.
 CM>   The placarded limits on the F-104 was Mach 2, 100 degrees C
 CM> on the compressor inlet temperature gauge, or the engine hot
 CM> light, whichever came first. In actuality, I heard the F-104
 CM> top speed was 2.2, although I have also heard a figure of 2.4
 CM>   Engine problems were common, and we lost 4 aircraft and 2
 CM>   pilots. The foreign countries lost even more aircraft, due
 CM>   to a variety of factors - engines, pilots, maintenance, etc.
 CM>   The leading edge of the wings was about as sharp as a dull
 CM> axe, and one of our pilots gashed his head very badly during
 CM> the preflight walk around; seems he ducked his head, as he
 CM> started under the wing, about 6 inches too late. Protective
 CM> strips were kept on the leading edges, for safety, until just
 CM> prior to pre-flight by the aircrew. Seems like they shoulda
 CM> left the strips on until AFTER the preflight walk-around, eh?
 CM> ..
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Bye, Hubert.
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