PE> 1. TML was set up in response to my own concerns at the time, that
PE> an ordinary user had no access to a reliable mail feed, and that
PE> becoming a point off anyone was considered something only available
PE> to important people.  The main purpose of TML is to plug that gap.

RB> We all have Good intentions to start with.

Whether the above intentions are good or not is fairly irrelevant.
What is relevant is that they are still current.

PE> 5. As a point, it is your responsibility to abide by the moderator's
PE> decision in any echo.  If a moderator decides to kick you out, then
PE> just kick yourself out.  If a moderator sends me mail saying to kick
PE> you out, I will in turn tell you to kick yourself out (just not
PE> posting any messages in the echo will be sufficient).  Any further
PE> messages posted in the echo after that will cause you to be kicked
PE> off TML altogether, not just that echo.

RB> Would you happen to be the Moderator of this echo

Being the person who created it, I thought I might be, until bloody
Brenton seemed to take over.  You'll have to check with him on the
current status.

PE> 8. If you would like the sysop to use a different modem, then you 
PE> will be responsible for the purchase and delivery of the modem to

RB>  I would be willing to give you a Courier, If I knew you would

Pigs arse you would.

RB>  apreciate it. But from what I've seen, you would not appreciate
RB>  a Rolls Royce. (Though no doubt you would present the parent
RB>  company with a list of what they could do with their product.)

You presumably didn't notice the messages I sent to Paul Markham 
thanking him for the loan of his USR Courier.  Zealots can be a
bit one-eyed like that.  Bit like you probably haven't noticed
that I said that for the same price, I'd rather have a Courier
than a Netcomm M34F.

PE> the sysop's door.  The new modem must be at least as good as the
PE> old one (in the sysop's opinion), and the old modem will not be

RB>  Wouldn't have to be very good then would it.

Actually, even a Spirit Viper might be good enough to topple 
Netcomm.  I am wanting to thoroughly test out the Netcomm first
though, before I swap with the Viper.

PE> given to you in recompense.  If, after some time in operation, the

RB> Wouldn't want your Choice of modems, sorry

You are not obliged to take my old modem, I am happy to hold on to
it as well.  Sorry if that wasn't clear.

PE> new modem is found to be not to the sysop's liking, you will be

RB>  No doubt about that.

Like is a relative thing.

PE> able to have the modem back.  You will be responsible for picking
PE> up the modem from the sysop's door.  However, until that time, the
PE> modem remains the property of the sysop.  Alternatively, you may
PE> arrange in advance to send a cheque to cover the cost of the 
PE> modem, the hassle of going to the bank to cash the cheque, and the
PE> hassle of going to the shop to buy the modem.  $200 should cover
PE> the cost of the last two items.  Please note that if you wish to
PE> send me a non-Austel-approved modem, you should send an additional
PE> $15000 to cover the cost of any fine that I may incur.

RB> You are just trying to score a modem without you turning over a
RB> cent.

"trying" is probably not very accurate.

RB> Mean, Selfish, Tight bastard, So only your time is worth money..no
RB> one elses is.

Is that right?  God only knows how you think I am being selfish
by leaving my modem in auto-answer mode.

PE> 9. The sysop does not charge for access to the system, unlike many
PE> other BBS's, so does not have a pool of user's money that can go
PE> towards things like new modems and extra phone lines.  However, the
PE> sysop does not want money from users, since he already has a modem
PE> and an extra phone line, so it isn't costing him any money to run
PE> the BBS.  So long as it continues to not cost him anything, he
PE> neither expects nor wants any money from users.  From time to time,
PE> the sysop may choose to upgrade his modem out of his own money.
PE> You will know that this has happened when you see an announcement
PE> in LOCSYSOP to this effect.

RB> I thought life was all about giving and taking.

I don't know much about life.  Brenton does though, should you have
any queries.

RB> The Giving of anything (a service) has no value, if it does not cost the
RB> giver anything. 

I see.  So presumably Binkley that I am running is of no value, nor
is MSGED.  I got them both for free.

RB> If this service costs the giver something, then
RB> there is much more appreciation and satisfaction on both sides.

Yeah, well I'm desperately after appreciation and satisfaction.
You may have noticed all the appreciation and satisfaction in this
echo.  Makes me a really happy fellow.  [Bob - FUCK OFF (whatever
you were going to say)].

PE> 11. The sysop will not censor anything you post in an echo, that is
PE> the job of the moderator.  So long as you respect the points as above, 
PE> you should feel free to post whatever you like, and abuse the crap 
PE> out of the sysop as much as you like.

RB> I'm trying to comply with these wishes

You're making a right fool out of yourself actually, but you're
giving me a good laugh in the process, so I won't stand in your
way.

PE> 12. The system, being primarily for mail, will also have some
PE> additional features from time to time, e.g. being able to put
PE> files into "Special Requests" so that others can FREQ them, or
PE> routing files to points.  None of these features are guaranteed
PE> to continue.

RB> The only WORK Some people can do is, make Policies and Rules and Bug lists
RB> for other people to do the actual backbreaking work in carrying out
RB> their wishes. 

I presume you aren't aware of all the software I have written for
the hobbiest community for free.  Not that I actually care whether
you think I need to justify anything to you.

RB> Bluff and bludge their way though life (and oh! do a

Yep, for me, life is just one long bludge, I wake up, have a bit
of food, then straight back to sleep.  I wouldn't even DREAM of
being one of these idiots that spends half their life writing
code for free for the benefit of those around them.

RB> bit of Dictating and Delegating, to make it look like they are doing
RB> all the work)

Just who is it that I delegate stuff to, Russell?  I'd sure like
to meet him/her/it.

RB> Do you come under this category. I see that you are always making
RB> rules and bug fix lists and now you are into policies as well.

That is quite an old policy actually.

RB> Life is a bit one sided, Ay

I defer to Brenton's wisdom on that.  BFN.  Paul.
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