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WD>JS>WD>   The Starfire I took a buck with this year expanded nicely, ripped
WD>JS>These were meant for more penetration than home defense loads though,
WD>JS>right?  What barrel length?  would you happen to know the velocity by 
any
WD>JS>chance?
WD>   No I believe these were designed for home defence they look like a 
lack
WD>   Talon or the new SXT's and were brought out on the market just
WD>   between the loss of the talon and the emergence of the SXT's by
WD>   Eldorado munitions. and they are not as expensive as the sxt's but
WD>   harder to find now. the velocity is around 1140fps  the expanded 
diameter
WD>   was .547  They are just like the SXT's with rounded edges after 
expansion
WD>   instead of the jagged edges of the Talon. weight retention was 100%
At 158gr, that's a heavy defense load, deeper penetration than typical 
home defense stuff (ie 125gr JHP).  Police loads maybe.  I know the 
pistol chamberings for the SXT were of this weight, but the revolver 
loads in the Black Talon/SXT were definately heavier penetrating than the 
pistol ammo.  Almost taylor made for handgun hunting.
I still like my 200gr XTP loads for my .40S&W.  I get up to more than 500 
ft/lbs, or less for more penetration.  I also am going to work up some 
maximum penetration loads using Sierra 190gr full profile jacketed 
(little or no expansion).
WD>JS>Nice shot.
WD>   Thank you,  but it was more of a lucky shot.
WD>    I have reloaded some and have fixed the problem with them shooting low
WD>        I used 14.9 gr of 2400  with the .158 gr starfire bullet with a 
magnu
WD>        pistol primer and I'm getting 1279fps and these are firing right 
n
WD>the
WD>        money at 25yds  and 50 yds in my Colt Trooper with a 4" barrel
That's cooking, more like a handgun hunting round.  My only concerns are 
my relatively poor accuracy, not enhanced by shooting from a semi-auto.  
Oh well, I'll just have to learn to deal with it.
WD>    I have'nt loaded any for my Ruger Blackhawk but I will test some wrist
WD>        rockers in it soon.  My best friend just bought a crono and is 
having
WD>        a blast just playing with it so I will have some loads for the
WD>        power freaks too (I'm in this group )
I can't wait to get a .357.  I'm still thinking of a Taurus 669 with full 
rib & vent in a 6" barrel, but I'd also consider a Dan Wesson with an 8" 
barrel (since I could eventually get a 3" barrel if I though it would be 
useful), and maybe even get it in .357 max with a 10" barrel.  :-)  If 
I'm going to power freak it, I might as well _power_ freak it, right?  
Besides, in a 10" barrel with .357max, I might be able to get near 
4000fps with my "propriatary" ultralight bullets.
WD>    The areas that I hunt are very remote and if you dont have a 4WD
WD>        you get there on foot so there are few hunters and the deer you 
have
Hmmm..  You know Ben Sansing, don't you?  He lives somewhere in the 
vicinity of LR.
WD>        last year both about 250# dressed.  they get bigger but YOU have
WD>        to get them out once their dead.
Yeah, and I just had a hernia operation.  Lifting is no problem, but
dragging stuff is still touch & go.  :-(  Just have to get one of those
4WD ATVs.  Have to move somewhere where I can use it first though...  :-(
WD>           a hunter a Ruger REDHAWK in .357 .41 or ...........44mag
WD>           they're strong enough for your roughest reloads it's a double 
acti
WD>           not a single like the Blackhawks and heavy ehough to soak up
WD>           the recoil of the nastiest reloads and stay accurate.
Do you think a Dan Wesson would be stong enough in .357max?  The longer 
case would let me use less pressures overall.  1000 ft-lbs from a load in 
the lyman manual with a 200gr bullet, and Lyman is quite conservation in 
load data.  Vihta Vouri's 3rd edition (pre-lawyer) lists 1600 with a 
200gr bullet, and over 1900 with a 158gr.  That's almost 1150 & almost
1300 ft-lbs respectively.  Less momentum than a .44mag too, which is 
better for me.
WD>       There are always the single shot TC contenders (Iwant one I want 
ne
WD>           I want one i WANT ONE i WANT ONE I WANT ONE!)
WD>           LIKE THE SUPER 16 IN 45/70!
.35 remington.  Or...  Magnum Research make the cannon breach lone eagle 
in 30.06, I think they even chamber it for .300 win mag now.  But, for 
the ultimate, let us bow our heads to J.D. Jones' .375JDJ.  He claims 7 
_feet_ of penetration in an elephant.  Elephant hunting with a handgun.  
This guy must have forearms like railroad ties.
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