PE>> Clearly they don't, unless you can crosspost a reply from USR that
PE>> was something other than a heap of shit.

RB> They get one letter from a bloke on the otherside of the world,

Oh, so I see they don't take an interest in people on the other side
of the world.  Fair enough, that's why I was interested in getting
a local modem in the first place.  Sydney even.

RB> telling them that they have done it all wrong. They are not going to

What a pity you're too much of a zealot to realise that I didn't say
anything of the sort.

RB> Act on what one little upstart says, unless they can reproduce the

I see, anyone with bugs is an upstart.  Presumably you will be
defending Netcomm's to-date inaction on my bug reports as perfectly
acceptable.  I'm sure Netcomm will welcome your support.

RB> problems, and even then they will wait for enough owners to complain
RB> (Say 25-40%) before they will sink money and time into fixing what

Oh right.  Since 25-40% of people are users not sysops, who don't
have their modem answering, then even if the modems return "ERROR"
in response to "ATA", that problem should not be fixed.  Way to go,
Russ.

RB> ONLY YOU deem to be a problem. Problems are polluting our lives everywhere

Is that right, I'm the ONE one who thinks that failures to connect
with EC are just the way god intended?

RB> and if no one see's them, then they are not known, and therefore not
RB> problems.

Oh right, ostrich impersonations are us.

RB> You may have a problem with the sky being blue, In Los Angeles they
RB> have a problem with the sky being Orange/Brown. They want it blue,
RB> but until enough people bitch about it, it ain't gunna change.

Which is what I said, no?  USR aren't going to get off their arse.

RB> Actually, USR (from past performances ) has listened to problems and

Yeah yeah, and Santa Claus comes and brings you presents on his
sleigh.  I'll believe the evidence I saw first hand thanks all
the same.

RB> like Quiet achievers, has ignored all the wingeing and gone about

I see, anyone who reports bugs is whinging.  Right.  Gotcha.  No
wonder you think the USRs are bug-free.

RB> fixing things. When everyone is thinking that they are not being

No they don't, well not properly anyway.  They only fix things that
are so glaringly obvious they trip over them themselves.

RB> listened to, USR suprises everyone with a fix And usually a bonus.

Uh oh, Santa Claus again.

PE>> In other words, they're of ZERO value to me, and you have to come up
PE>> with *$200* worth of benefits to *ME*.  Otherwise, the Netcomm is the
PE>> better buy, to *ME*. 

RB> Come up with them your self, Why should anyone have to do your work
RB> for you.

If you want to convince me of something, you have to present the
argument yourself.  I do not intend arguing on your behalf against
myself.

RB> I would have thought that because of the USR having Flash Rom and
RB> therefore delivering V34 and also V34+ to the public, 12 months before
RB> anyone else released them both & 12 months before they were
RB> Ratified, would have been worth this $200 you are on about.

Is that right?  How did you calculate that $200 figure?  Bear in mind
that I only pick up mail regularly as a local call.

RB> You talk about it taking you 3 years or so to pay your modem off,

I think I did that calculation assuming I was calling STD.  I don't.
It won't be paid off in 3 years by a long shot.  By a VERY VERY
LONG shot.

RB> I jumped in late and bought my first Courier V.Everything back in
RB> October '94 therefore I had 28800 V.34 connects for 12 months before
RB> it was common place in Australia and I have also had 33600 connects
RB> since may '95. I Therefore have transfered more that enough data at
RB> a speed of 33600 in the last 12 months to be well worth the extra.

You have to say what STD rates you were paying, and what the alternative
was.  BTW, you could have got a Spirit Viper V.34 modem in January '95,
so your 12 months is in fact 3 months MAX.  So how much cheaper was
the Viper over the Courier, to have made your STD pay it off?

Anyhow, this is still YOUR figures, not MINE.  You and Bill are 
suggesting that I should have paid $200 extra, the cost is justified.
I am asking you how you came to that conclusion.  So far I've seen
Ostriches standing on their head, but no much in the way of
argument.

I will be kind and admit that Bill has more-or-less admitted that
the Netcomm is fine for my use, no need to spend $200 extra in
my circumstances.

RB> If you want an advantage, that no one else has then there must be a
RB> risk and a cost involved.

An advantage that no-one else has?  Uh-oh, into the really rabid
zealotry now.

RB> Each to his own. We are all born with the same opportunities ahead
RB> of us. It is not my fault if you don't see them and act on them, as
RB> I do.

An "opportunity" to waste $200???  Yeah, well.  I had an opportunity
to waste $15,000 at AMP, and I took it up.  Does that count?  The
sleazy bastards managed to screw about $3,000 out of me in the end.

PE>> If you want to convince me that I got landed with a lemming in order
PE>> to save $200, you have to come up with something that interests *ME*.

BG>> absolutely no idea what you find interesting.  

RB> Being a selfish bugger.

It's a selfish bugger to not pay $200 to allow Bill to connect at
V.34bis and save an estimated $0.20 off his yearly phone bill?
Yeah right, I can see how that would make sense if you were severely
drugged.

BG> Then how do you think you know what you don't need, if you don't even
BG> know what
BG> features the USR has available?

PE>> Why is it unjustified that S56 should match the manual?

RB> The original Courier V.Everything manual ( paperback & ASCII )
RB> were written in 1993 and published in 1994, How do you expect a
RB> company that is progressive enough to stay on the leading edge  of
RB> technology, (April 2,'96) to stick to what it says in the manual,
RB> when research and development are coming up with new proceedures
RB> by the minute and are able (though flash rom) to implement the
RB> improvements at any minute.

As far as I'm aware, the modem was using the flashrom that came with
the modem and manual as bought.  BFN.  Paul.
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