BG> but it's clear that a USR-USR link is superior to any other
BG> combination. Nobody has ever been able to dispute that.

RS> Fraid so. If you eliminate the >28800 speeds, which the M34F doesnt
RS> even CLAIM to support, you havent been able to show that on your
RS> calls to Paul that a USR/USR pair does better than an M34F/M34F pair.

BG> Fraid so.

RS> Fraid not.

BG> That's EXACTLY what I was able to prove once David
BG> brought his borrowed M34F around here for testing.

RS> Fraid not. The data you have available for M34F/M34F calls between
RS> you and Paul isnt anything like enough to substantiate that claim.

BG> Sure, more than 2 miserable calls would have been far preferable,
BG> but I wasn't in a position to hang on to the NetComm for more
BG> than half an hour (not that I particularly wanted to anyway).

Sure, but thats WHY you dont have adequate evidence to substantiate the
claim that an M34F pair does better on your/Pauls line. Doesnt alter the
fact that you DONT have evidence to substantiate that claim, particularly
when its just two calls with the very superficial initial connect rate
thats quoted as the speed achieved and not thruput on a decent sized file.

BG> While Paul had the Courier, I was seeing 28800s (with occasional
BG> 26400s, but don't forget that this was with the old Sportster ROM
BG> which couldn't even connect at all with the M34F most of the time),

RS> These are irrelevant, we at talking about how USR/USR performs
RS> compared with how M34F/M34F performs on calls from you to Paul.

BG> That's fair enough too, which is why I've basically ignored
BG> any data collected before using the current V.34+ EPROM.

Yeah, its quite possible that even the USR/USRs would improve now too.

The trouble is that when you did get an occasional 26400 with
USR/USR, two calls which got that initial rate proves sweet fuck
all about anything much about USR/USR being better than M34F/M34F.
It may even be true, but you dont have the EVIDENCE to substantiate
that claim, particularly the claim right at the top.

BG> whilst M34F-M34F was only 26400 at best from here.

RS> I have gone back to your message after that and it doesnt
RS> say that. Most of what you said was about the %L value
RS> reports which we now know are completely meaningless.

BG> It's scrolled off the end of my limited message
BG> base here, but I did import the connect strings
BG> for those M34F-M34F calls, both of which were 26400.

Nope, it aint in the message. The %L value stuff is.

RS> So you havent got a SHRED of evidence that the USR/USR is better there.

BG> On my (poor) lines, USR-USR is clearly better.

RS> I'm not convinced that you actually have the evidence to substantiate
RS> that claim unless you did make lots of M34F/M34F calls to Paul the day
RS> you had it. You certainly didnt even say that speed detail previously,
RS> so I should really have said that you hadnt presented a shred of evidence
RS> to substantiate the claim that M34F/M34F does worse on calls from you
RS> to Paul than USR/USR.

BG> I was certain that I imported the full connect stats from LW/2

You did for atleast one call to the bulldog. Not Paul tho.

BG> (didn't use the mailer, as I wanted to do some on-line probes while
BG> I was at it), and as I said, both of them were 26400 connects, whilst
BG> all bar one connect with the USR's new EPROM have been at 28800.

Basically those stats are inadequate to substantiate a claim
that an M34F pair does better than a USR pair on your calls to
Paul. Two calls proves fuck all basically, particularly when you
have had <28800 calls with other than an M34F at your end.

RS> I think its more likely you made too few M34F/M34F calls to say much.

BG> Dunno,

Its now clear you did make too few now we know it was just two.

BG> you could also say that 100% of my M34F-M34F calls were 26400 while
BG> 99.9% of my USR-M34F calls are 28800.  But I won't, 'cause I also
BG> agree that's far too small a sample to say anything really useful.

Yeah, the stats are useless to substantiate the claim right at
the top. Which is all I ever said. It might even be true, but
we dont actually have the evidence that allows that to be stated.
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