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   This is what he has been repeatedly saying.  According to adam =
redhat, sun, and others that release software for which the copyright is =
not owned by them have no responsibility at all.  Only the copyright =
holders have responsibility.  It's a stupid proposition but adam is =
insistent.  Of course to make him look more the idiot he would like to =
blame Microsoft for all vulnerabilities in software that runs on Windows =
no matter who releases it and how.  Maybe this is sun's, adam's =
employer's, official position.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:403ff33e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message
  news:403efec9$1{at}w3.nls.net...

  > Surely what's in the distro is up to the distro? I.e. RH is looking =
to
  > bundle the ObjectWeb stuff (Jonas, Joram et al). It's not up to the
  > Jonas people to bundle Jonas into RH it's up to RH.

  Does Linus contribute to the RH product? If he screws up and codes =
something
  that's exploitable don't you consider that a RH exploit if it affects =
RH?

  Or are you trying to say RH is responsible for nothing at all, not =
even the
  core of the OS? I mean by your reasoning if someone buys RH there is =
nobody
  they can hold responsible for providing patches? They just have to =
hope
  someone releases a patch and that they happen upon it somewhere on the =
web?

  > Hummm. So I want to serve web pages. Name the competing
"solutions" =
to
  > my need.

  Netlink, Digix, etc..

  > So a little eden fan free with linux or Win2K is the same as a =
honking
  > great Unix box?

  If all you want to do is something both boxes can do and the scale of =
what
  you want to do is within the capability range of both boxes, yes.

  Isn't this exactly what is happening today, an ISP can buy a bunch of =
little
  servers, or dual cpu rack mounts, or an AS400 running virtual Linux
  partitions. They do compete with each other for some requirements.

  > The weakest code **you have installed/loaded**. No IIS, no IIS hacks
  > possible etc.

  Your logic is because you bought RH and all you use it for is to hold =
the
  books from falling off the edge of your bookshelf that it's totally =
secure.
  How the hell am I supposed to reason with that logic? Your usage (or =
lack of
  it) actually is secure in that case but at the same time your logic is =
badly
  flawed wrt security of the product.


  > Hummm...is this:
  >
  > http://www.flipstartpc.com/
  >
  > A PC?
  >
  > Or is it a model car?

  It's a PC, but this is not http://wearcam.org/wristcam/

  Geo.


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Rich
 

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>Geo.

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