RS> 2400     30
RS> 2550     31
RS> 2700     31
RS> 2850     32
RS> 3000     33
RS> 3150     34
RS> 3300     35
RS> 3450     38
RS> 3600     45
RS> 3750     54

BG> Christ, any wonder that I was having trouble with Paul as well!

RS> You are having a brain fart there, the problem between you
RS> and Paul is primarily because YOUR line is pretty poor.

BG> Not at all.

Fraid so, the numbers for Pauls line with a Courier on that line
show very conclusively that his line doesnt have a problem.

BG> I'm fully aware that my line is fucking awful, but
BG> your own stats show around a 10dB decrease in signal
BG> strength to Paul, when compared with Dave's stats,

Nope, thats where you are having the brain fart, that 10db is due to
Paul not having a Courier on his line, not because of the quality of
his line. The evidence for that is the numbers Russ got from FNQ with
a Courier on Pauls line and the Netcomm. Absolute definitive proof of
where that 10db shift is coming from, the modem, NOT the line.

BG> and as previous testing from here indicated that the Rockwells show
BG> around a 5dB shift, the other 5dB drop must be due to his own line.

You cant say that either, the shift with the Russ FNQ calls
with JUST a modem change at Pauls end was more than 5db.

Yes, Pauls line isnt as good as the bulldogs, but thats no news,
NO ONEs is as good as the bulldogs and the problem you have when
calling Paul has nothing to do with Pauls line, its due to YOUR line.

BG> Given FO between exchanges, that extra 10dBm can only
BG> be due to the line between Paul and his own exchange
BG> being pretty piss-poor, as I already suspected.

RS> Thats actually the 10db quirk seen when there isnt a Courier
RS> on the other end of the call. The evidence for that is the
RS> call Russ made from FNQ with a Courier on Pauls line.

BG> It ain't a full 10dB though.

Yes, but all that proves is that the bulldogs line is better than Pauls.
No news, EVERYONES line is worse than the bulldogs, including my own.

The problem you have calling Paul is due to YOUR line, not Pauls.
It was ALSO the reason why you calls to CHH from you home line were
MUCH worse than the calls to CHH you made when working for them.

BG> Closer to 5dB in fact,

Nope, you are understating that.

BG> and don't forget that a 5dB drop is as near
BG> as dammit to HALVING the signal level.

Irrelevant, V34 is designed to be able to handle those sorts of
differences. In fact, once USR fixed the code in the Sportster, it
even handles MUCH more than that due to YOUR rather poor line as well.

BG> With my dreadful lines, that's more than
BG> enough to create major problems to Paul.

Yes, but thats due to YOUR dreadful line, nothing to do with Paul
which is well within the normal range. Its just not as good as
the bulldogs, but then neither is mine either. Or anyone elses.

RS> Also did some very interesting calls to the USR BBS in the USA to see
RS> the effect of the 4 different ways you can call the US. Very fucking
RS> interesting indeed actually, but I will post it in Aust_Modems coz its
RS> likely to be interesting to others on the OS calling question. Looks very
RS> interesting indeed graphing all 4 calls on the one graph in a spreadsheet.

RS> Very bloody obvious why 2 got 26K type speeds and two got 16K.

BG> I look forward to reading it.  Let's just hope that it gets up here...

Yeah, I have been holding off posting it till Dave Hatch
returned from the dead. It has today, so I will post it
in a day or so when things have settled down a bit more.
@EOT:

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