On 03-07-97 GEORGE ERDNER wrote to KENNETH NEWMAN... 
 
 KN> Hey, no Moody Blues, no Ange. I heard that straight from 
 KN> Christian Decamps. 
 
 GE> No Moody BLues? Now I'm totally confused! 
 
        Now, George, why would Christian Decamps, the founder and 
        main composer in Ange declare his own band off topic in 
        this echo? Does that make sense? 
 
        "No Moody Blues, no Ange" is a type of rhetorical elipsis 
        common in idiomatic English in which the expression "no 
        x, no y" means "without x there would/will be no y" as in 
        "no pain, no gain" or "no head, no backstage pass." 
 
        The Moody Blues, like Ange, are on-topic here, and 
        discussion of them is encouraged. 
 
 GE> If Genesis is Prog-Rock, and Phil Collins was part of Genesis, then 
 GE> Phil Collins is also Prog-Rock. Phil Collins covered "You Can't Hurry 
 GE> Love", which was originally by the Supremes. 
 
        Fair enough, you may discuss any Genesis or Collins 
        material here, though discussion of their more commercial 
        pop stuff is politely discouraged, though allowed. 
 
 GE> So if Phil Collins is Prog-Rock, then that song is also Prog-Rock 
 
        There's your faulty leap of logic. 
 
        Just because an artist is prog doesn't mean everything 
        they do is prog (cf Robert Wyatt "I'm a Believer" unless 
        they substantially rework it into a prog tune "cf Henry 
        Cow's cover of the Yardbird's "Got to Hurry" which they 
        retitled "Bittern Storm Over Ulm." 
 
        Similarly, just because a tune a band does is prog 
        doesn't mean the band is prog (cf April Wine, or was it 
        Triumph?, cover of "21st Century Schizoid Man.") 
 
 GE> That logic makes no sense to me. 
 
        The logic is fine, your premise is incorrect. Socrates is 
        not a horse. 
 
                                Cheers, 
                                Kenneth 
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