In a deposition submitted under oath, Andrew Cummins said:
 BS> I'll note your complete failure to ask for any.
 AC> Actually, I believe I did ask in the original post.
    Actually, you didn't.  I double checked before I posted that, just
 to make sure I wasn't falsely accusing you.
 BS> After the whining stopped, they would be forced to compete or sink
 BS> back even lower in status than they are now.  Or they would revolt
 BS> and we'd have a civil war between blacks and whites.
 AC> Black culture doesn't give blacks the ability to organize
 AC> a revolt, so you must be referring to massive riots.
    You say that just after you mention the million man march.  So, tell
 me again how black culture inhibits their ability to organize?
 AC> No doubt, there's plenty of white trash.  But, by the criteria
 AC> that earns a white man the label of "trash" there's a much greater
 AC> proportion of blacks that meet that criteria.
 BS> Evidence?
 AC> More blacks are born out of wedlock.  More blacks commit
 AC> crimes.  More blacks use poor English.
    Evidence?
 AC> Just what "trash" criteria do you think more whites meet?
    Uneducated or educated below the high-school level (even if they
 were handed a diploma), unwilling to keep themselves, their children
 and property clean and in good health/working condition, lazy,
 prejudiced without cause or with fictional, stereotypical cause or
 because of class envy.  For more examples or demonstration of some of
 the above, look in a mirror.
 BS> Of course I object to that.  Martin Luther King Jr. and the whole
 BS> civil rights movement up to his death spoke of a colorblind society,
 BS> and that's the only solution that will result in true equality for
 BS> all men.
 AC> Right.  But, most people do not want a color blind society.
    Evidence?
 BS> with anti-discrimination laws.  These laws will not affect change in
 BS> our society as long as there are anti-black bigots like you in charge
 BS> of things.
 AC> I have never discriminated against someone on the base of race.
 AC> Indeed, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to vote for a black
 AC> guy (or woman) who held the more conservative/libertarian view
 AC> over the other candidates.
    (guffaw)  That is *so* obvious from your speech here.
 AC> The greater ignorance of your statement is your delusion that
 AC> there are anti-black bigots running things.
    Don't be naive.  They are out there.  I don't believe they exist in
 such numbers as the NAACP and J.J. want you to believe.
 AC> What few there exist
 AC> are swiftly and severely punished as soon as anyone notices.
 AC> Indeed, even the accusation of racism against blacks is extremely
 AC> damaging to any person or company, even those racist companies
 AC> which give massive preferential treatment to blacks (like
 AC> Texaco).
    Which is why we don't need affirmative action laws.  You're
 preaching to the choir about this, Andy.
 AC> My own position is that the problem with blacks is black culture
 AC> not genetics nor "centuries of suppression."
    That isn't how you led off this discussion.  Make up your mind.
    For what it's worth, I agree that the black culture typically found
 in the ghettos is counter productive to their success.  But this is
 not a universal culture shared by all blacks born in America, it is a
 subculture.  There are other black subcultures wherein blacks succeed,
 and they have many attributes in common with successful white/asian/what-
 ever subcultures.  The black subculture of the ghettos share
 attributes with white/asian/whatever-trash subcultures, and it is these
 shared attributes which make them unsuccessful.
    So, while I agree with what you seem to be saying in that the
 culture one adopts is directly related to your ability to succeed,
 I disagree in that I see no evidence that race factors into the
 equation.
 AC> preferential treatment increased.  Black immigrants from much
 AC> more disadvantaged backgrounds perform much better than native
 AC> American blacks.
    Which makes my last point above very well.
... Parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.
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