-=> Quoting Bob Eyer to Clarence Hogan <=-
 BE> Hogan to Bloss, 4-06-98:
 BE> ------------------------
 >And in regard to Mr 16:18, might we not consider Lu 10:19 and Ps
 >91:13 also?
 BE> Luke 10.19 NRSV says, putatively quoting Jesus,
 BE> "... See, I have given you the authority to tread on snakes
 BE> and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy; and
 BE> nothing will hurt you."
 BE> Psalms 91.13 NRSV says,
 BE> You will tread on the lion and the adder, the young lion and
 BE> the serpent you will trample under foot.
 BE> Mark 16.18 NRSV (Longer Ending) says, putatively quoting Jesus,
 BE> "... they will pick up snakes in their hands, and if they
 BE> drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay
 BE> their hands on the sick, and they will recover."
 BE> There is a general theme about snakes and whether a person is hurt
 BE> by them that runs through these passages; however, the second
 BE> clause of the Longer Ending passage, "they will lay their hands on
 BE> the sick, and they will recover", and the reference to drinking
 BE> "deadly things", are unique to the Longer Ending.
 BE> In all probability, therefore, Luke was looking at OT scripture
 BE> when he wrote his lines above, while the Longer Ending took
 BE> liberties with Psalms.
 
 All the above looks fine but I just don't have a NRSV in all the
 different versions in my humble library!  
 The following is what I have been able to come up with in accordance
 with the KJV and Strongs, which when studied closely should confirm
 my previous findings on the subject as it would seem that many folks
 take the serpents, scorpions, etc., as literal animals and not as 
 what they are shown to be by Strongs below, correct!
 Lu   10:19 Behold , I give  unto you power 
 to tread  on  serpents  and scorpions ,
 and over  all  the power  of the enemy :
 and nothing  shall by any  means  hurt 
 you.
 Eze  2:6 And thou, son  of man , be not afraid
  of them, neither  be afraid  of their
 words , though  briers  and thorns 
 [be] with thee, and thou dost dwell  among 
 scorpions : be not afraid  of their words ,
 nor  be dismayed  at their looks , though
  they [be] a rebellious  house.
 Mr   16:18 They shall take  up serpents ; and if
  they drink  any  deadly  thing, it
 shall not hurt  them; they shall lay  hands 
 on  the sick , and they shall recover .
 3961 pateo {pat-eh'-o}
 from a derivative probably of 3817 (meaning a "path");
 TDNT - 5:940,804; v
 AV - tread 3, tread down 1, tread under feet 1; 5
 1) to tread
    1a) to trample, crush with the feet
    1b) to advance by setting foot upon, tread upon: to encounter
        successfully the greatest perils from the machinations
        and persecutions with which Satan would fain thwart the
        preaching of the gospel
    1c) to tread under foot, trample on, i.e. to treat with
        insult and contempt: to desecrate the holy city by
        devastation and outrage
 3817 paio {pah'-yo}
 a primary verb; to hit (as if by a single blow and less
 violently than 5180);; v
 AV - smite 4, strike 1; 5
 1) to strike, smite
 2) to sting (to strike or wound with a sting)
 5180 tupto {toop'-to}
 a primary verb (in a strengthened form); TDNT - 8:260,1195; v
 AV - smite 9, beat 3, strike 1, wound 1; 14
 1) to strike, beat, smite
    1a) with a staff, a whip, the fist, the hand
    1b) of mourners, to smite their breast
 2) to smite one on whom he inflicts punitive evil
 3) to smite
    3a) metaph. i.e. to wound, disquiet one's conscience
 3789 ophis {of'-is}
 probably from 3700 (through the idea of sharpness of vision);
    TDNT - 5:566,748; n m
 AV - serpent 14; 14
 1) snake, serpent
 2) with the ancients, the serpent was an emblem of cunning and
    wisdom. The serpent who deceived Eve was regarded by the
    Jews as the devil.
 4095 pino {pee'-no}
 a prolonged form of pio {pee'-o};  which (together with another
    form poo {po'-o}, occurs only as an alternate in certain
    tenses; TDNT - 6:135,840; v
 AV - drink 68, drink of 7; 75
 1) to drink
 2) figuratively, to receive into the soul what serves to refresh
    strengthen, nourish it unto life eternal
 142 airo {ah'-ee-ro}
 a primary root; TDNT - 1:185,28; v
 AV - take up 32, take away 25, take 25, away with 5, lift up 4,
     bear 3, misc 8; 102
 1) to raise up, elevate, lift up
    1a) to raise from the ground, take up: stones
    1b) to raise upwards, elevate, lift up: the hand
    1c) to draw up: a fish
 2) to take upon one's self and carry what has been raised up,
    to bear
 3) to bear away what has been raised, carry off
    3a) to move from its place
    3b) to take off or away what is attached to anything
    3c) to remove
    3d) to carry off, carry away with one
    3e) to appropriate what is taken
    3f) to take away from another what is his or what is
        committed to him, to take by force
    3g) to take and apply to any use
    3h) to take from among the living, either by a natural death,
        or by violence
    3i) cause to cease
 And of course these verses speak for them selves down 
 to Ps 91:13, right?
 Ps   58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go
 astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
 Ps   58:4 Their poison [is] like the poison of a serpent: [they
 are] like the deaf adder [that] stoppeth her ear;
 Ro   3:13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their
 tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under 
 their lips:
 Ro   3:14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
 Ps   91:13 Thou shalt tread  upon the lion  and
 adder : the young  lion  and the dragon
  shalt thou trample  under feet.
 07826 shachal {shakh'-al}
 from an unused root probably meaning to roar; TWOT - 2363a; n m
 AV - lion 4, fierce lion 3; 7
 1) lion
    1a) of Jehovah, wicked men (fig)
 01869 darak {daw-rak'}
 a primitive root; TWOT - 453; v
 AV - tread 23, bend 8, bent 7, lead 4, archer 2, tread down 2,
      come 1, go 2, treader 2, tread upon 2, walk 2, drew 1,
      lead forth 1, guide 1, tread out 1, go over 1, shoot 1,
      thresh 1; 62
 1) to tread, bend, lead, march
    1a) (Qal)
        1a1) to tread, march, march forth
        1a2) to tread on, tread upon
        1a3) to tread (a press)
        1a4) to tread (bend) a bow
        1a5) archer, bow-benders (participle)
    1b) (Hiphil)
        1b1) to tread, tread down
        1b2) to tread (bend with the foot) a bow
        1b3) to cause to go, lead, march, tread
 08577 tanniyn {tan-neen'} or tanniym (Ezek 29:3) {tan-neem'}
 intensive from the same as 08565; TWOT - 2528b; n m
 AV - dragon 21, serpent 3, whale 3, sea monster 1; 28
 1) dragon, serpent, sea monster
    1a) dragon or dinosaur
    1b) sea or river monster
    1c) serpent, venomous snake
 03715 k@phiyr {kef-eer'}
 from 03722; TWOT - 1025a,1025d; n m
 AV - lion 30, villages 1, young 1; 32
 1) young lion
 2) village
 03722 kaphar {kaw-far'}
 a primitive root; TWOT - 1023,1024,1025,1026; v
 AV - atonement 71, purge 7, reconciliation 4, reconcile 3,
      forgive 3, purge away 2, pacify 2, atonement...made 2,
      merciful 2, cleansed 1, disannulled 1, appease 1,
      put off 1, pardon 1, pitch 1; 102
 1) to cover, purge, make an atonement, make reconciliation,
    cover over with pitch
    1a) (Qal) to coat or cover with pitch
    1b) (Piel)
        1b1) to cover over, pacify, propitiate
        1b2) to cover over, atone for sin, make atonement for
        1b3) to cover over, atone for sin and persons by legal
        rites
    1c) (Pual)
        1c1) to be covered over
        1c2) to make atonement for
    1d) (Hithpael) to be covered
 
 >And was this not fulfilled in Acts 28 by Paul and
 >the viper?
 BE> This is not an independent witness, since Acts was written by
 BE> Luke.
 
 I do have an old penciled in notation on the first page of 
 Acts "Written by Luke", however there is a question mark there
 also, so there must have been some question on that point, but
 I do not recall what it was at the moment but it had to be 
 something that I read in my earlier research to cause me to put
 the question mark there some years back!
 
 BE> Luke thought the Psalms theme was pretty important.  In addition,
 BE> we know that he had a copy of Mark to look at when he wrote his
 BE> own stuff.  (Many passages in Luke are in fact copied straight out
 BE> of Mark, more or less word for word)
 
 Hummmm, that is some good info to have, I will have to do some 
 research on that one!
 BE> Therefore, if Luke had seen the line "they will lay their hands on
 BE> the sick, and they will recover" and the reference to drinking
 BE> "deadly things" in Mark, he would almost certainly have reproduced
 BE> those ideas.
 
 Possibly so!
 BE> In fact, he did not.  The passage, Mark 16.18, is therefore bogus.
 
 That could be a possibility!
 BE> The Longer Ending did not exist in Luke's time.
 Probably not!  
 Thanks for the info Bob!
Just another humble servant of The Kingdom.......clarence.......
... Why do we want Him to do for us what we are able to do for ourselves?
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30
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