*** Quoting Michael Grant from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***

 CS> they do not, use -Unpublished- for the phone field, mark
 CS> them PVT, and enter 300 for the baud rate.  Among the flags,
 CS> enter those which are applicable, omitting those that do not
 CS> apply.

MG> This still does not address the problem of marking non-private IP base
MG> nodes as PVT. That problem restricts connectivity for IP nodes, causes

In what way?  I'm not aware of any IP mailers that aviod dialing those with
the ¨PVT flag header.  They ignore it by policy.


MG> Your comments that, "Its harmless for an ION and protects stupid POTS
MG> people from making mistakes due to them not being setup right" Is inco
MG> it *is* harmful to ION's, and your comments also insult the intelligen
MG> of POTS nodes at the same time, by assuming that they are so technical
MG> inept as to not know how to configure their systems properly. It's far
MG> better to /assist/ those who are having trouble to correctly configure
MG> their systems, than to make global accomodations for them at the expen
MG> of all others, just because you think a few individuals are
"stupid".


No, far too many fear the 000-ip listing due to fears that POTS nodes will
not ¨block it.  Go deal with those who fear that POTS nodes are stupid.

I've done far more to 'assist' in this than the vast majority.  Try writing
¨your own FAQ's on how to help folks to see how hard it is to get one out
¨clearly and followable.

Did you know i also wrote the one for Z1 and how to adapt Makenl to above
9600 ¨baud? Notice it worked?

MG> I'm quite suprised, being a former RC, that you lack any real insight
MG> to this issue. This is a problem that /must/ be dealt with if Fidonet
MG> is to move forward; ignoring it just makes things worse. The PVT kludg
MG> is /unacceptable/, and a much better solution needs to be found.


Check into Makenl and how to list a node who has no phone number.  The only
¨acceptable sub is a *STATIC* Ip address.  That has to be preceeded by a
¨non-country code to prevent accidental dialing.  So far, no one has come
up ¨with one other than 000. 000 is problematic if dialed wrongly from
within OZ ¨but no problem outside it as it doesnt have the OZ dialcode
appended before it.

Equally bad are the Z1 sites who are adding 1- to the 000 set.  That can
cause ¨dialing of the operator in the USA from outside USA.  BAD JUJU!!!

                                       xxcarol

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