RW> areas.  IOW, you don't want ZT, you want ZT in the
 RW> areas YOU think is good but want Some Tolerance (ST) in
 RW> other areas.  Sorry but you can't have it both ways w/o
 RW> looking or being hypocritical or preadjust.
KA> I want zero tolerance appied by law enforcement agencies in
KA> an area, or relating to offenses that have become a
KA> nightmare for a community. Actually, I would like to see a
Which is selective enforcement, which is saying that
you are willing to let people commit crimes in areas
but not in others. 
KA> police force have little tolerance for any breach of
KA> criminal law. It's obvious that no community has the
KA> manpower to do that throughout a city, but must concentrate
KA> those efforts where the citizens need it most.
Sure they do.  If you catch two people doing the same
thing in two different places you treat them the both
the same.  Not let a 16 y.o. kid driving the BMW in the
neighborhood where the houses cost a minimum of
$500,000 off with a "you've been a bad boy" speech when
you find a 'roach' in his car but if it is a 16 y.o.
kid walking down an ally in a public housing area with
a roach in his sock you toss him in the back of the
car.
Is it ZT or . . .
 RW> I again point out that I have LIVED THROUGH A ZT
 RW> NIGHTMARE, one that could have cost my daughter her
 RW> life!!  And it was demanded by the citizens.  They
KA> And you have my full understanding of and sympathy for what
KA> happened at the school level. We are trying to talk of law
KA> enforcement agancies' application of it. Even in the school,
KA> it isn't that the coincept is bad. Its _application_ in some
KA> districts goes totally overboard. 
It is the concept.  You paint every one with the same
brush.  If there is a ZT policy and it is enforce with
one student/criminal but not another you don't have a
ZT policy you have a "good 'o boy" policy.  As a matter
of fact if it isn't enforced accross the board the odds
are you will wind up in court trying to explain why one
person was made to follow the rules but another wasn't
and trying to prove it wasn't racism, sexism, or some
other 'ism.
 KA> Think about it a little deeper, huh!
 RW> Why don't you expend your thinking?  Do you really want
 RW> to turn your local police in to a bunch of mindless
 RW> robots who do nothing but strictly enforce the rules?
 RW> People who "just follow orders"?
KA> I think it's a very rare occurrence for the police not to
KA> understand what ZT means and to properly apply it as they
KA> set it up. It's been in force several years here as relates
KA> to DUI, and I can't recall a complaint except from one
KA> caught driving drunk. On the other hand, it has had a lot of
I'm glad YOU  brought that up.  The ZT policy on DUI
has gotten many complaints, as a matter of fact there
were several court cases.  The ZT on DUI has brought
about a restriction of travel and an invasion of
privacy which can be abused. 
I've been through several "random" DUI road blocks
three of which have been set up in the same place.  The
funny thing is at each of these DUI road blocks the
officer has checked my DL, my car tags and on at least
four occasions the officer looked into my car using his
flashlight.  Why if this is a DUI road block?  Seems to
me like it is nothing more than a police check point
where they are searching me and my car for any
violations of the law.
How long is it going to be before these DUI check
points are used to check to see if there outstanding
warrants or if the person is behind on their child
support payments?  Both of which have been suggested.
Your ZT on DUI is slowly going out of control and
turning into a stop and search or papers check just as
the school's ZT on drugs is out of control.
KA> praise from survivors of those killed by drunk drivers, and
KA> those who were injured by them.
And I feel for them and for their loss but:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety.        Benjamin Franklin
If you want to see a safe and orderly place go to
Singapore.  Of course don't expect to be able to have a
lot of freedom.
RW> Or do you want to allow them the leeway to say "this
RW> guy just made a mistake and won't do it again" or "this
RW> guy is a total loser who will do it again and again"?
KA> Until I hear of abuse of the concept byu police, I'll
KA> reserve judgment.
By then it will have a power of its own.  Just like a
guy who doesn't go to the doctor for a cough until he
starts coughing up blood.  By then the cancer is so
wide spread all the doctor can do it tell him to go
home, get his affairs in order and get ready to die.
You live that way if you want but I get biannual
physicals (the doc tells me its soon to be annual,
getting old you know) to catch anything BEFORE it gets
bad enough to kill me.
                      Remember:  Freedom isn't Free!
--- timEd-B11
---------------