RJT> In my researches,  I found that there was a _lot_ more about tar in the
 RJT> info pages than there was in the man page.  Don't like info,  don't
 RJT> like the user interface,  but there it was.  

Yeah the man pages do seem to be written for a somewhat seasoned
veteran ;-) Will look into the info pages.

 WC> Need to snag MultiMail for Linux as well as the home user Linux
 WC> version of F-prot.

 RJT> Virus program?  I've never seen the need to bother,  here.

Good to know however some of the local html page links to a Debian
site that comes up default in the Knoppix Konqueror browser mention
about a dozen threats.
Seems to be some hazard from overflowing a buffer to gain root
access too.

I guess I need a good recent systems administrator's manual
for Debian Linux to get a handle on some security issues.
Barnes and Noble came up empty for anything later then 2001.

Have to check some Linux CD and books sales sites.

 RJT> About the
 RJT> only use I ever heard of that made some sense was for a linux system
 RJT> that handled a lot of dos and win files,  to check _those_.

No intention of mixing the two up outside of copying some HTML
back and forth.

 WC> The syntax for telnet transfers is going to take some research on
 WC> my part. I've seen references to a BSD - Linux hack of ztelnet but
 WC> as yet no download link.

 WC> SCP stands for Secure Copy and is another possibility I need
 WC> examine to see if it's suitable to this use.

 RJT> SSH is probably a better bet.

Thanks for the tip, will look into the info files for that.
I'm confident I can setup either MultiMail or APT and Infozip.
Syntax for telneting in either case involves a bit more
by way of switches than what I'm used to.

Will need to write my own script to automate the procedure
somewhat just for convenience.

 WC> There's a pretty impressive assortment of multimedia, sound, video
 WC> and munipulation apps native to Knoppix.

 RJT> Have you looked at The Gimp yet?  A little strange to operate,  but
 RJT> *very* powerful stuff there.  I can refer you to some online articles
 RJT> if you want.

Not played with it yet.
Ran into a GUI interface in root for making disk images though :-)
Seems one can also install Knoppix as a image file to the hard drive
the same size as the CD and still save settings to either FAT 32
or a small Linux partition.

This seems to be the mother of all Linux releases to get one
relatively fast tracked if one has the RAM to run it.

 WC> Verizon used to allow one to stay online for extended periods but
 WC> now seems to log you off at 5 hours tops even with activity :-(
 WC> Time to change providers, it's my 150 Hrs/Mo and I should be
 WC> allowed to chose how I use them!

 RJT> That's one of the reasons I changed.  Absolutely no mention was made of
 RJT> this when I signed up,  and then they acknowledged it,  and still
 RJT> didn't have any mention of it on their web page until I bugged them
 RJT> about it.

All the bad changes happened after GTE became Verizon.
Before I could log on either box, start a download, close the
browser and the dialer would hang up after the download was complete.

I downloaded Win 3.1's Netscape Communicator 4.08 at just under
18 meg overnight on a 14,400 

No can do such a thing anymore :-(

 RJT> My irritation stemmed from the fact that there were
 RJT> occasional large downloads that I might want to do that wouldn't be
 RJT> possible with this setup.  If the site in question didn't allow me to
 RJT> resume where I'd left off,  I was screwed.

Yeah, I wanted Peanut Linux and Dragon releases image files, too big
for the 5 hour limit :-(

 RJT> Not to mention the lousy connect rates...  I was emailing with my
 RJT> brother on this subject and gave him the local access number for my new
 RJT> outfit where he lives,  and he had the same experience,  going from not
 RJT> ever connecting any higher than 33.6 to 49-something on the first shot.
 RJT>  He said something about giving them a chance to fix it,  but they're
 RJT> not gonna fix it...

 RJT> Screw 'em.

In a couple of months when I setup Internet Junction,
have to inquire if they block the telnet port though.
In either case I've got a clean pair of telco wires :-)

 RJT> When you do get around to the command-line stuff,  mc is your friend.
 RJT> :-)

Already familar with it.

 WC> Right now I'm up to my eyeballs in stuff to do,

 RJT> I know the feeling!

 WC> I think I'll trust the 6.4 Gig Quantum drive to last two months
 WC> before I occupy the spare drive bay with a large drive.

 WC> If she crashes and burns no big deal as Knoppix is a snap to
 WC> install!

 RJT> Yeah,  that lasts until you have a certain amount of time invested in
 RJT> making it work the way you want to,  configuring stuff,  etc.

I seem to be able to recall odd syntax pretty well once I've been there
before.

 CA> I _think_ the general consensus has been to use 'dd' for creating
 CA> image files for backup purposes from a Linux install?

 WC> I'll do a man dd and check that out :-)

 RJT> It's a handy utility,  I used it to wipe the boot sector on that XP box
 RJT> that's been a pain in the butt for me lately,  stuck tomsrtbt in there
 RJT> and after logging in typed "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512
 RJT> count=1".  If it hadn't been so late and me so tired I would've left
 RJT> off that last bit and wiped the whole drive,  it'd have been easier in
 RJT> the long run.

 RJT> You have a vendor picked out for that drive yet?

Torn between Seagate and W.D. still.
Circuit City seems to have the best prices but CompUSA
carries some Seagate drives.

I see from the the Linux hardware docs I'd be better off with
an H.P. Vectra line box which takes true parity memory.

Next go around that's what I'll look for used.

 WC> For March I may change ISP's to 1/2 price local outfit or go DSL
 WC> where I'm at not sure which yet.

 CA> If you're considering going DSL then there is no need for the 56k
 CA> modem. Any decent modem is OK as a 'backup' for emergency use once
 CA> you have DSL.

 WC> Five year warrantee on the hardware external I've in mind and the
 WC> cost for the local ISP is only 9.95 unlimited dialup.

 RJT> Just make sure that when they say "unlimited" they really mean it!

Yeah really!
If Internet Junction's unlimited really is unlimited
I've no need for DSL.
Big need is downloading ISO files on rare occassion.
Their web site states unlimited DSL and 20 hours dialup
and web page space at the same price as Verizon's package.

 WC> BTW the dialer in Knoppix connects and negotiates way faster than
 WC> Windows' dialer.

 RJT> Big surprise,  eh?  :-)

Not unexpected but the magnitude of the difference was!

 CA> The Winamp lookalike included with KNOPPIX seems quite good here
 CA> for most music files.

 RJT> XMMS?  It seems to work well for me,  too.

Need to put that Turtle Beach sound card in to check it out.
 
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