BL> It's obvious that we keep getting up the FIDO-drongos noses, and
BL> it is not going to get any better. IMO, it would be better to cut
BL> our losses and go private now, before a poofter or politically
BL> correct cunt turns nasty and tries to do us harm. And they can.

NP> I agree with BOB that there is a risk, (however small),

RS> They cant do us any harm at all.

NP> Until someone tries out a test case on something a participant says.

They aint got a hope in hell.

NP> I know the chances are small by why take any chances.

They are actually zero, the worst they can do is choose
to not carry AVT between the major mail movers, and we
can just replace that link with our own instead. Fuck em.

NP> We KNOW there a a heap of dipshits out there,
NP> and one day one of them will try to get smart.

Who cares, they get the full three deck broadside coming back.

What you are talking about is self censorship, and thats PRECISELY
what they want to achieve, get us to behave the way they want us
to by that sort of try on. They can go and fuck themselves instead.

NP> I don't think any one of us wants any more trouble than we have already.

They cant cause any trouble, just choose to not
carry AVT between the main mail movers. Who cares ?

I'm not about to let complete fucking wankers get me self censoring.

NP> so keep most of the chat to LOCUSER  where NO ONE ELSE CAN READ IT.

RS> Dunno, I quite enjoy trailing my coat |-)

NP> I KNOW that !!!! Just do it in the other Fido echoes.

No thanks, I'll bare my bum at Andy in there. Its the only way,
doing what they want when they try to throw their weight around only
encourages them when they get the results they wanted. Fuck em.

FM> On the original question, isn't one of the functions of the moderator
FM> to keep the FidoGods off our backs? Shouldn't Rod Speed be fixing this?

NP> I don't think that anyone reading the echo on a casual basis would
NP> realise that there WAS a moderator, and THIS is part of the problem.

RS> I dont believe it. Everyone assumes that there is one, there are only a
RS> quite small number where there isnt one, and the usual thing is to ASK
RS> if you dont know. I just dont believe that the fido snoopers dont know.

NP> They just don't _want_ to know.

So it wont make the slightest difference if we had a weekly post.

NP> They can QUITE CORRECTLY claim there are no moderator notices at the moment

Thats just as true of the vast bulk of Fido echoes, few do that. And we can
QUITE CORRECTLY point out that they only have to ask, or read the bears list.

NP> It was only when the complaints about lost mail occured that
NP> the mail movers _bothered_ to look at what they were carrying.

RS> I doubt that too. Its pretty clear that some do run auto UUCODE detectors
RS> and Mal I think it was had someone bitch to him about it at one time.

NP> OK it was UUE's, but now they have added other gripes....

Stiff shit, its none of their fucking
business, they get to go and fuck themselves.

NP> I know that you have the same attitude to Fido Gods
NP> (and rules) that the rest of us individualists have but.....

NP> If the the Moderstor of AVT was to post
NP> the rules (such as they are :-) every week,

RS> Dunno, I find those a pain in the echoes I read. Even every few months.

NP> Post it from THE MODERATOR and put him in your twit list
NP> like every one else. That way you won't be annoyed by them

I didnt mean me seeing them, I wouldnt see them anyway.

NP> then it would be seen by the casual reader that ..
NP> 1 There is a moderator.

RS> Thats rather pointless when there are no rules to adhere to.

NP> Yes there are. You posted them when you took over as moderator,
NP> and overuled the amended rules that Bill had posted previously.

Saying that there were no rules.

RS> And since Teddy maintains the list, its there to look for,
RS> and any FidoWanker knows that thats the first place to look.

NP> I agree. But if posted in the echo, then they are being hit
NP> in the face with them. Thay can't comment on the content and
NP> at the same time state that they haven't seen the rules :-)

We tell them to go and fuck themselves on content, its none of their
fucking business. Fido has NO say on ANYTHING about content in an echo.

NP> 2. They can see that from the rules that
NP> the discussion of any subject is OK

RS> That should be rather obvious from the messages.

NP> It is!!!   But hit them in the face with it in a RULES message that
NP> makes it formal and it is stated formally and plainly in clear English.

Fuck them, its pandering to their self importance.

NP> If it's too much trouble for you, dig them out of your
NP> archives and send them to me, and I will post them for you.

I think its much better to not have any postings.

NP> 3. That the rules specifically state that the echo is for
NP> discussion BETWEEN AV Techs and not necessarily about AV matters.

RS> Thats included in 2

NP> OK then include it in 2.  Written formally by the moderator in clear terms.

There aint no point.

NP> I am certain that the weekly rule posting bit will go along way towards
NP> calming the current complaints and removing any possible future complaints,
NP> as there was an assumption (albeit incorrect) that they were moving a
NP> Technical echo, and got upset when thay actually discovered its content.

RS> I find that VERY hard to believe.

NP> YOU BETTER BELIVE IT, I got it from the horses mouth.

I still dont believe it. And I just dont believe that they in fact
chuck a wobbly at any echo where the content isnt strictly adhering
to the posted rules. There are plenty like Aust_Point that appear to
be a technical echo and where plenty gets discussed like killing cats.

NP> It may be lie and a heap of shit, but THAT was the calim !!!!!

So Andy is a fuckwit. No news. Soorree, he is irrelevant to AVT.
He doesnt get to throw his weight around and proclaim on what we do.

RS> And it doesnt explain the very considerable number of non
RS> technical echoes that are moved too. Like say BBS_USER.

NP> "They don't claim or by their name appear to be a Technical echo"

Now try explaining Aust_Point.

He's a complete and utter fuckwit.

NP> Those are NOT my words I just heard them.

So he gets to go and fuck himself.

NP> If the rules are there for them to read, then there is less risk of
NP> movers making false assumptions. And nor can the casual intruder :-)

RS> Or if its the first time its ever caused a problem in the YEARS
RS> we have being going now, why does it actually matter a damn ?

NP> To shut up the winging bastards,

Soorree, thats letting them throw their weight around and get things
done the way they want. They get to go and fuck themselves instead.

NP> and not cause any more expense or hassles for those who would
NP> have to call STD for AVTECH who currently don't have that expense.

Soorree, that just lets them throw their weight around. Fuck them.

NP> You and I and a few others call STD already.

And if you dont read the mail volume I do, you get to get your
Fidomail CHEAPER than those who dont call STD. Its a completely
bogus argument. So Gulovsen gets to go and fuck himself.

Its just a try on anyway, if there aint no UUCODEs appearing, coz we
think thats not very sensible anyway, its most unlikely he will chop
AVT when he doesnt Aust_Point etc. He's just trying to big note himself
and throw his weight around. He gets to go and fuck himself instead.

NP> I don't think we should force the others into
NP> that situation unless it is absolutely necessary !!!

Force them to spend less ?  Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.
And what you are proposing with LOC* is that already in advance anyway.

NP> If the echo still gets dropped after all that.. then FUCK'EM !!!!

RS> Or fuckem anyway.

NP> You can. I'm not in the least bit attracted.

True, likely get some unspeakable disease.

NP> We can probably do a better job on our own considering
NP> that I NOW know where the Black hole is, but the hope
NP> of convincing any Sysop of it, is very remote.

RS> Dunno, the main problem with just dumping the main file movers is
RS> that it does reduce the possibility of the occasional new blood.
RS> Sure, most are fuckwits who piss off quick, but some arent.

NP> So keep the current situation if we can !!!!!!

Or just not post UUCODEs and bare our collective arses at their
attempts to throw their weight around and so FUCK YOU to self censorship.

NP> Keep the content the same Post some rules to shut up the wingers

Or carry on regardless and dont give the fuckwits any way they can
think that they got their way. Its the only way with those fuckwits,
tell them to go and fuck themselves every time they try it.

NP> If you so desire, feel free to add your name to relevant
NP> section so that a general feeling can be gauged

NP> Go Private
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NP> B1
NP> Encyclopedea S
NP> Brengun
NP> Loony

RS> I havent said that, and neither has Paul as far as I am aware. I just
RS> mean that *IF* the current mail movers choose to stop moving AVT, we
RS> just get someone who is on the other side of that gap to move it instead.

NP> That is what I was talking about. Don't give in on content,
NP> remove UUE's If they cut the feed THEN go private.

Sure, I meant you had included me in the wrong group.

NP> If we have to      (understandably, as there is an added cost)
NP> =====================
NP> Old Bastard
NP> B2
NP> Bulldog

RS> I think Paul and me should be in here.

NP> Well alter it to suit and repost it !!!!

Paul chucked a loony and had other ideas |-)

RS> I'm not convinced there is even an added cost.

NP> The above DO NOT get AVT from Paul
NP> There IS an added cost if David or Bill have to cart AVT STD

A trivial one given LOC* moves that way already.
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