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Hello Wayne - 

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WC> Yeah, was unable to figure out how to implement them from
WC> within a telnet session. Seems to me a script could be
WC> written to work around this but that's way over my head
WC> just now. 

CA>> The standard telnet will not give you a child process
CA>> (comand line) to call sz or rz and use the already opened
CA>> 'port' that connects you to the BBS. 

WC> Wasted a few minutes finding this out. 

CA>> The ztelnet program _does_ have this function built into
CA>> it. :-) 

WC> Now to find that critter. I've found it once but did not
WC> successfully download it because Knoppix defaults to so
WC> many _safe_ operating parameters. I had not realized I had
WC> to establish a persistent /home directory as it seems it
WC> defaults to that being loaded into RAM from newly
WC> established hard drive installations. 

WC> /home now exists in /dev/hda2 which is ext2fs and I've got
WC> Multimail sitting there for when I get zmodem and set it up. 

Had to change some environ variables for the boot scripting? 

CA>> If I remember this correctly the 'sz' and 'rz' of ztelnet
CA>> is not a 'full' implementation of either protocol. The
CA>> 'full' versions offer many switches etc. and other
CA>> protocols such as xmodem and ymodem. 

WC> Not sure, been jumping around a lot of info files. Need to
WC> find a gzip'ed system administrators guide and use a
WC> utility to look at that file at my leisure on the local
WC> drive. 

I will scout around and try to find the ztelnet and
documentation. I think the reason it's hard to locate is that
it is actually a BSD binary (originally)? It compiles for Linux
though. Howard compiled it for himself and sent me a copy of
the binary but I had already found it then just used his
instead. :-) 

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CA>> Whatever works for you. 

WC> Knoppix!!! Thanks to you I have it :-) The partimage
WC> interface appears dead easy to use and the info file clear
WC> enough. Add the abbreviated Partition Magic that comes with
WC> Peanut Linux's ZIP file and I'm able to manage, resize
WC> partitions and create compressed image files with
WC> confidence. 

If/when you have the room to do it it is worthwhile to keep a
recent image copy of the main OS partition on the hard drive.
It's not a 'backup' per se but can be handy when you make a
mistake to be able to boot using a floppy and just copy the
image file back into the main partition and reboot. Trick is to
write it to another partition so that it doesn't overwrite
itself when you try to copy it back again. ;-) 

WC>> I formatted /hda4 ext3fs but my /home directory sits on
WC>> /hda2 in a ext2fs. 

CA>> I don't recall offhand what the differences are between
CA>> ext2 and ext3 nor am I aware of which is the most 'common'
CA>> format in use at the present time. 

WC> I believe ext2fs is the standard but ext3fs is suppose to
WC> be more tolorent to disruption. Best of both worlds here
WC> with the the standard knoppix Linux install in /hda4 with
WC> ext3fs and /home on ext2fs /hda2. 

Yes, Roy reminded me that ext3 is 'journaling' and even though
I don't remember everything I read about journaling it is
supposed to be more fault tolerant (something like a duplicate
TOC or something like that). 

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CA>> You're a bit ahead of me on this. 

WC> Oh I would not say that as you've had ztelnet and ATP up
WC> and running... I'm not there yet. 

It was a bit of a puzzle. Had to add another 4 meg ramdrive to
the mini-install then sort out all the required directories
etc. but it and the original ATP is so close to what I use on a
daily basis that it was 'comfortable' for me to use it. No
Qedit for writing messages but that was a minor problem. 'Joe'
under Linux would be a close match for Qedit once I figured out
the macro language for Joe. :-) 

WC> I'm a bit more fearless about cohabitating my operating
WC> systems on one physical drive and resizing and fdisking
WC> partitions. There's a Linux native partition resizing
WC> utility as well. 

CA>> I'm waiting until I relocate myself and my computers and
CA>> the 'dust' settles before I tackle any time consuming
CA>> projects. 

If it all works out OK I will be networked to a 120 gig
'server' and can hide image copies of my systems on it. ;-)
Then I'll be "bullet proofed" totally. LOL 

WC> I'm pretty much bedridden so time's not the problem. What I
WC> need to do after so long an unproductive stretch of time is
WC> to reintroduce discipline into a routine where I set aside
WC> at least two hours a day solely for focused study of this
WC> wonderful Debian based release. 

It (KNOPPIX) sure does look nice if nothing else. Nothing too
shabby about it. ;-) 

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