On 19 Nov 02  12:50:00, Alex Shakhaylo said the following to Bob Short:

AS>  BS> What you expect has been tried before, and failed because it was
AS>  BS> too radical a change.  Trying to add it to this amendment would
AS>  BS> kill it for sure.
 
AS> May be. But in my neck of the wood this amendment is not welcomed.

I can't accept that until I am sure you (and/or they) fully understand
what we are trying to do with this proposal.

AS> Does it count ?

If you mean 'do our opinions on Policy count?', yes... at least to
me.  Whether they are appropriate for, or attainable at, this point
in time, I would have to say no.

I won't comment on the rest of your message here, other than to say
that what you expect is not yet realistic.  You can not, I repeat
not, achieve sysops level voting on matters of Policy.  We may be
able (at a later date and amendment) to place heavier requirements
on the *C's to vote according to the will of their nets/regions,
but FIRST we need to make passing amendments actually possible.

Until now, efforts like ours have been futile.  Then, a while ago,
Ward mentioned that he would relax the "ALL RC's" requirement for
passage of a referendum... mainly due to the chaotic state of some
zones and regions (where some RC's are/were either missing or not
responsive).

Despite whatever disagreements you have with him, I hope you can
take into account that he is NOT of the same genre as past *C's
have been, in that he is actually a proponant of change (being one
of those involved in drafting our proposal).

AS> I think any polls are needed in case we want to get aware with a truth.

If you are so hell-bent on polls, try this one:  Post the proposal and
summery in your echos of choice, and ask:

"Do you support the changes included in this proposal?"

Bob  :)

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