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to: PASCAL SCHMIDT
from: CHARLES ANGELICH
date: 2003-12-17 12:48:00
subject: Broadband?

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Hello Pascal - 

CA>> I think you missed the point. Germans have had FREE
CA>> college tuitions until only recently. In the USA we can't
CA>> even help the poor and elderly with our 'budget' much less
CA>> give away college degrees here. 

PS> Yes, technically it's free, at least listening to a lecture
PS> and taking exams doesn't cost money. People working at
PS> universities are paid out of taxpayer money. 

For some reason I cannot explain Americans have never been all
that committed to providing college degrees to their children
or grandchildren. In my time although I was treated well for
being 'in college', I can say that many also seemed to feel I
was a bit arrogant to think I should have a college degree
since they did not have one. Strange but true. 

PS> You still need to buy books (which you mostly don't need to
PS> do in school), which can be quite expensive, and you have
PS> to pay some amount of money per semester for administrative
PS> costs (this is mostly to allow the student bodies that are
PS> involved in running the university to operate -
PS> universities here work a little like city-states of their
PS> own with different commisions in which the students get
PS> seats as well, which is required by law). How much that is
PS> depends on the university. At Bremen University, I pay
PS> about 110 Euros per semester. 

Even 37 years ago I paid more than 110 Euros for just my books
to attend a 'jr' college. I don't recall my costs per credit
hour anymore but my son's fiance is attending college at
present I could get more uptodate costs from her. Major
universities here, I am told, cost from $10-20k US per year but
I _think_ that involves living on campus as well - maybe not? 

There are government loans for education and those seeking to
become doctors can finish college owing $100k US or more to the
government. I am told collections have been neglected and most
never repay this money. The taxpayers absorb these costs even
though it's not supposed to happen that way. 

In parts of Europe what we call "tech schools" are called
universities and I think in Russia at one time even high
schools were called universities? People who immigrate here
claim to have college degrees who really have technical
training comparable to our auto mechanics and companies don't
bother to check since the replies come back in other languages
they can't read. The one word "University" is often
recognizeable though spelled differently (somewhat). It's quite
a hoot really to see a person with agricultural training hired
as a manager because of their 'college degree'. ;-) 

As you an see the "playing field" is not as level for young
people competing in a global economy as politicians would have
Americans think that it is. Our young people go into heavy debt
trying to chase "The American Dream". :-\ 

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