-=> On 06-08-04  05:47,  Thom Lacosta <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Last P4 proposal <=-

 DS>   Eventually, primarily because of PK's insistence, the entire
 DS> proposed   document was presented , split over multiple messages. 
 DS> To this day, I   fail to see why that added anything to any RCs
 DS> ability to make a   decision on the proposed changes.   IMO, that
 DS> insistence was a noise   factor intended to disrupt the
 DS> proceedings.

 TL> Well, if Peter had not of insisted on a complete document, 
 TL> I would have...and before you try to blame me, as you just 
 TL> did Peter, I would have done so becuase that's what I 
 TL> believe Policy 4 mandates.

  And there we disagree -- I believe that policy 4 says that the final
  vote is on the entire document, but that the RCs could have told the
  IC that they were in favor of a referendum without specifying the
  document.    However, in the final analysis, it is the interpretation
  of the RCs that mattered on that point.

  I still fail to see why any RC could not have easily supplied sections
  2,3,4,5,6,7,9 and 10 for themselves since there was not one word that
  changed in any of those sections.   Only sections 1 and 8 were
  changed.  The new section 8 was presented in its entirety.
  Publishing the unchanged sections only wasted bandwidth.

 TL> I can tell you another thing....each and every time 
 TL> supporters or proposers of policy change take it upon 
 TL> themselves to accuse RCs of something negative in relation 
 TL> to the process, they loose a certain amount of credibility.

   And how about when the proposers accused the IC of something negative
   in the process, did we gain or lose credibility?  If you might
   recall, Ward had the final proposal for about a year before he got
   pushed into keeping his promise to present it to the RCs for their
   consideration.

 TL> Of course, it is gratifing to note that I am not the only 
 TL> RC accused of attempting to disrupt things.

  .

                        dale (at) min (dot) net
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