Hi, Felipe!

25 Nov 02 23:14, Felipe T. Dorado said to Alex Shakhaylo:

 FD>>> Now,
 FD>>> Why is it that so many SysOps there feel so left out?

 AS>> How can they feel in case 90% of sysops of z2 cannot influence
 AS>> Z2C election ?

 FD> Want a short answer?
 FD> "Because I pay the phone, the electricity and take the pain to
 FD> configure the thing."  };DD A more reasonable one?
 FD> "Because I was here before you got your first modem."
 FD> A more modern one?
 FD> "Because the "global village" is a good idea but it
is still many
 FD> years away." A down to earth one? Because when you were given a node
 FD> number you were told, or should have been, that this network functions
 FD> according to the current policy.

Your answers are reasonable, but still change nothing about the feeling,
because the feeling is natural. You would feel the same being in the same
situation, trust me :-)

 FD>>> What percentage of SysOps there can read English
 FD>>> fluently?

 AS>> Very few :( Though most of them can read and understand making
 AS>> an effort.

 FD> Well, that's something quite easily solved. I have the same problem in
 FD> my region but probably not that serious.

It is natural, you never were behind the "Iron Certain".
Now situation is getting corrected, but it can't be done too
fast. That is to say 10 years ago there were a few who could
read English even with efforts.

 FD> Are the not aware that there
 FD> are many others in the rest of the planet that feel more or less the
 FD> same?  Right, tell them.  They don't listen to you?  Want a statement
 FD> of a few of us here explaining briefly how things are so they
 FD> understand that it is not a revolt what is needed but proposals in the
 FD> way current policy states? Sorry no money to give away as blackmail
 FD> for anyone ;)

I like your style, Felipe. Let us get one more beer.rar :-)

 FD>>> What have they tried before embarking on a proyect for a
 FD>>> new P5? How is it progressing, can we have a glimpse, do they
 FD>>> need any help?

 AS>> Most of them were not aware of P5 attempt :( Now they seem to be
 AS>> more aware, but it is too late.

 FD> Well, that's something.
 FD> And no _it is not too late_.

I mean this amendment.

 FD> Things on a planetary scale take time.
 FD> Personally I'm most interested in the things they think should be in
 FD> a new policy.  What are those things?   What if they happen to be the
 FD> same ones many of us here have in mind?  ...   We just need to know.

This is very difficult question.  Different people want different changes.
I can't take the responsibility for all our people and sometimes they want
the things that are in controversy. If you asked about my personal opinion
I would be more specific.

 FD>>> A mail network is for communicating, right?   Ok, let's use it.

 AS>> Seems we are doing the very same thing :-)

 FD> Yeap. :)

 FD> If you happen to have a list of things your people would like to be
 FD> changed of the current policy or the main points or guidelines of a
 FD> new one we most certainly would like to hear about them *_and_* take
 FD> them into account. 5 or 6 Thousand SysOps can't be ignored!  :) But if
 FD> most of them can't voice their opinions for themselves someone has to
 FD> do the job.  I'm afraid you have no choice but to act as ...
 FD> Coordinator!  }};D

It's finally happened, happened. Slightly ma-ad.

All my fidolife I tried to avoid coordinator's position (just imagine
the net with ~150 nodes, once a week you are getting a complaint, all
the time you are blamed by somebody for this and for that).   And now
you say I have no choice ?!    You wanna kill me as communicative and
goodhumoured person, do you ? :-)

Beside of the jokes I'm already trying to advocate my regions here and
to advocate the rest of the fidonet there. And I'm beaten from both
sides. 

Sorry, I cannot be very serious today, my beloved syster has her
birthday today in Munich. :-)

Bye, Sinc, Alex

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