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echo: locsysop
to: Rod Speed
from: Paul Edwards
date: 1996-05-12 12:27:02
subject: GMD

RS> Funny, could have SWORN that YOU proclaimed that it should be used.

PE> I did not.

RS> Fraid you did, it was YOU pushing PQWK in the first place.

You don't "push" a product by calling it the biggest heap of shit
you've ever seen.

PE> All I said was to use the latest version of PQWK.

RS> Soorree, when you just code and pray, that aint anything
RS> remotely like rigorous testing and that makes no sense whatever.

USE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT THEN.

PE> 1. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU USE PROPER POINT SOFTWARE.

RS> Soorree, not into fascism, you dont get to proclaim
RS> on what is the one true path to salvation for us all.

It's a suggestion you moron.  Like I said, I don't care what you do,
so long as you send me in-spec mail.  Failure to do that, when it
has been pointed out to you, is malicious.

RS> And your crackpot approach of silently binning entire PKTs which
RS> contain a single message which doesnt match YOUR loony ideas about
RS> what matches 'the specs' means that the vast bulk or more likely ALL
RS> 'proper point software' is quite capable of producing a message which
RS> doesnt qualify as pristine by YOUR nutty ideas about 'the specs' too.

Sure, and I'll tell you about the problem, and you have to fix it.

RS> And its just as well that the systems upstream of you arent so silly
RS> too, because you were producing them yourself, with YOUR software too.

PE> 2. IF YOU INSIST IN USING QWK, I SUGGEST YOU USE
PE> MKQWK ETC THAT ARE USED IN PROPER BBS SOFTWARE.

RS> Soorree, you suggested PQWK in the first place. I dont plan
RS> to immediately change to whatever you proclaim is the one true
RS> path to salvation for us all every time you change your mind.

I did not Rod, I suggested using FD/Fmail/Golded or 
Binkley/Squish/Msged.  If you choose to use stupid software, that's
your problem.

PE> 3. PQWK IS A HEAP OF SHIT, BUT AT LEAST I CAN FIX BUGS
PE> IN IT, AND THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T ANY THAT I KNOW OF.

RS> And since you have done no rigorous testing, and have just coded
RS> and prayed, 'that I know of' doesnt actually say very much at all.

Use a different product then Rod, but just don't send me 
out-of-spec mail when I've told you that PQWK250 is sending me
out-of-spec mail.

RS> And even the MSGID isnt even a spec in the sense of an FTS ANYWAY.

PE> FTS-9.

RS> Soorree, it specifically say thats OPTIONAL.

Yes, it's optional, but if you choose to generate it, you have to
follow it.  YOU were generating it.  YOU were not following it.

RS> Paul, I dont give a shit what you do, so long as you have the sense to even
RS> notice that the rest of Fido doesnt operate like you were saying you would,
RS> silently binning every single PKT which contains what you with completely
RS> crackpot ideas on what constitutes 'the specs' claims is a dud message.

The rest of fido probably doesn't have malicious points either.

PE> In this particular case, using PQWK, it is designed to emulate
PE> a BBS, as I used to run.  A BBS won't send you kludge lines.
PE> PKT2QWK will strip kludge lines out, so it's just like a BBS.

RS> Thats complete crap too, BBSs dont strip all
RS> kludge likes PARTICULARLY the MSGID and REPLYID.

They do before sending you a QWK packet.

RS> And whether they do or not, you dont get to proclaim that everyone must.

I DO get to proclaim that you send me in-spec messages, and FIX
your software when I discover that you are not.  BFN.  Paul.
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