1237e2000c50
tech



Hello Tom - 

TW>>> The streaming audio clip worked. But it only confused me.
TW>>> Some of it is very good but what I rembember is not
TW>>> really there. It almost sounds like now what I think I
TW>>> was hearing was a composite of a Real Bell and a Tube
TW>>> type chime. 

->> Could've been. :-) 

->> When a bell is used as a musical instrument it is confusing
->> IMO. There are many variations on what composes a 'bell'.
->> There are cast iron, brass, copper, steel, and even wooden
->> bells. There are a variety of shapes and sizes for the
->> 'clapper'. Some are struck externally and have no clapper.
->> It's almost infinitely variable. 

TW> From that page with "More then I wanted to know about
TW> Bells" mentioned that. :-) :-) 

We take the music we have for granted. There are levels of
complexity that few could imagine. Reading usenet where
professional audio technicians are discussing their work is
very impressive (the depth of understanding they have
re:sound). They seem to average $100k US per year for their
work and I think they are underpaid and under-appreciated
(generally). 

TW>>> I am totaly ignorant of Music so cannot really explain
TW>>> what is missing. 

->> Attack is the very first milliseconds of sound when the
->> bell is 'struck'. The Roland bell soundfonts seem a bit
->> high-pitched (to me) at the 'attack' and I was disappointed
->> with that. Sounds as though all of the bells had iron
->> 'clappers'. 

->> The higher notes give a sound of a small thin walled bell
rather than the richer sound of cast brass bells. 

TW>  That is what I noticed i nthe "Sample". 

In the 'Sample' they are tubular 'bells' which are, in fact,
thin walled tubing. The Roland soundfont sample does well with
the lower notes but not as well with the higher (smaller bell)
notes. There are 5 different recorded bell sounds within that
soundfont with the first three being the smaller bell sounds
and I noticed the curvature of the 'ring' tone is different
than the larger bells use. :-\ 

I have several options. I can 'hide' the tubular bells in sync
with the Roland bells and use the tubular 'ring' tone. If not
that I can record separate tracks for each bell sound and
rework the 'ring' tone in the WAV editor then mix the tracks.
If _that_ doesn't work I can rework the Roland soundfonts and
produce any sound I want (within reason). ;-) 

If you have a 'reverb' setting on your player try increasing
the reverb and listen to that. It will distort the other
instruments but if that improves the "bell sounds" we know
where we need to look for the difference that is missing right
now. :-) 

>
>        ,                          ,
>      o/      Charles.Angelich      \o       ,
>       __o/
>     / >          USA, MI           < \   __\__
 

--- * ATP/16bit 2.31 * 
... DOS the Ghost in the Machine! http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/