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echo: locsysop
to: Paul Edwards
from: Rod Speed
date: 1996-05-11 11:45:00
subject: GMD

RS> And if you seriously think that silently deleting
RS> what you claim is out of spec is being 'reliable'...

PE> YOU are the one compromising reliability by fucking
PE> around with control lines whilst using brain-dead software.

RS> Funny, could have SWORN that YOU proclaimed that it should be used.

PE> I did not.

Fraid you did, it was YOU pushing PQWK in the first place.

PE> All I said was to use the latest version of PQWK.

Soorree, when you just code and pray, that aint anything
remotely like rigorous testing and that makes no sense whatever.

PE> If there is ANY DOUBT AT ALL, LET ME STATE:

PE> 1. I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU USE PROPER POINT SOFTWARE.

Soorree, not into fascism, you dont get to proclaim
on what is the one true path to salvation for us all.

And your crackpot approach of silently binning entire PKTs which
contain a single message which doesnt match YOUR loony ideas about
what matches 'the specs' means that the vast bulk or more likely ALL
'proper point software' is quite capable of producing a message which
doesnt qualify as pristine by YOUR nutty ideas about 'the specs' too.

And its just as well that the systems upstream of you arent so silly
too, because you were producing them yourself, with YOUR software too.

PE> 2. IF YOU INSIST IN USING QWK, I SUGGEST YOU USE
PE> MKQWK ETC THAT ARE USED IN PROPER BBS SOFTWARE.

Soorree, you suggested PQWK in the first place. I dont plan
to immediately change to whatever you proclaim is the one true
path to salvation for us all every time you change your mind.

PE> 3. PQWK IS A HEAP OF SHIT, BUT AT LEAST I CAN FIX BUGS
PE> IN IT, AND THERE CURRENTLY ISN'T ANY THAT I KNOW OF.

And since you have done no rigorous testing, and have just coded
and prayed, 'that I know of' doesnt actually say very much at all.

PE> If you have a reason to want to look at control lines,

RS> Soorree robust and reliable software is about not just
RS> silently deleting everything that you proclaim to be 'out
RS> of spec'. That particular one wasnt even out of spec, YOUR spec.

RS> And even the MSGID isnt even a spec in the sense of an FTS ANYWAY.

PE> FTS-9.

Soorree, it specifically say thats OPTIONAL.

PE> Like I said, don't fuck with things you know nothing about.

Like I said, everyone realises you have completely loony ideas about
what you claim you know something about, INCLUDING the current FTS chair.

RS> And presumably even you have noticed that not all mail
RS> tossers used on Fido just silently bin packets which even
RS> have Origin lines which arent immaculately within spec.

PE> That isn't this issue.

Fraid it is. You proclaimed that you plan to silently bin every single
PKT which contains any message which you claim doesnt meet 'the specs'
Luckily for you, the systems upstream of you have more sense.

RS> Which is quite handy because otherwise they would have just silently
RS> binned the output of YOUR tosser when it flouted an FTS itself.

PE> Like I say, I fixed the problems I was causing.  You chose
PE> to not give a shit whether you sent me out-of-spec mail.

As usual, completely dishonest.

PE> why don't you either use proper point software (ie not QWK readers
PE> who don't know to strip kludge lines) or use inspecta on the raw packets.

RS> Soorree, not into fascism. I'm into reliable mail.

PE> Rod, I don't give a shit what you do, so long as you
PE> send me in-spec messages.  I have told you how to do that.

Paul, I dont give a shit what you do, so long as you have the sense to even
notice that the rest of Fido doesnt operate like you were saying you would,
silently binning every single PKT which contains what you with completely
crackpot ideas on what constitutes 'the specs' claims is a dud message.

It makes a hell of a lot more sense to point out which are a problem, and
the person who has generated one of those can choose an appropriate way of
avoiding producing those. Tho in this particular case, since you claim to
want others to use Tobruk, it actually makes rather more sense to have
Tobruk do something more sensible with some messages which are less than
absolutely pristine but which wont have a problem out there in the network.

THATS what reliable software is about, not mindless fascism.

PE> In this particular case, using PQWK, it is designed to emulate
PE> a BBS, as I used to run.  A BBS won't send you kludge lines.
PE> PKT2QWK will strip kludge lines out, so it's just like a BBS.

Thats complete crap too, BBSs dont strip all
kludge likes PARTICULARLY the MSGID and REPLYID.

And whether they do or not, you dont get to proclaim that everyone must.

PE> If you choose to play silly buggers with the software,
PE> the result being you sending me out-of-spec messages,
PE> the onus is squarely on you as being malicious.

More gross dishonest.

You dont get to proclaim that those who arent into
your fascist way of doing things are malicious.
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