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echo: fidopols
to: Felipe T. Dorado
from: Alex Shakhaylo
date: 2002-11-23 01:00:00
subject: p4 amendments

Hi, Felipe!

22 Nov 02 20:00, Felipe T. Dorado said to Alex Shakhaylo:

 FD> But I very much doubt things are the way you put it. It would be
 FD> absurd. Change of policy has to be done according to policy. No other
 FD> way is acceptable.

Well, I agree that legitimate way is mostly preffered one. But the will
of the majority is beyond any legitimation. I can remind you about at
least two cases when majority acted not according to current law and
succeeded. The first case is fn_sysop and the second is USSR disinteg-
ration. Both cases suited majority that's why they have become lagitimate
after success. A winner is not under a judgement.

 AS>> And we are the real majority of fidonet, you know.

 FD> Mmmm. That sounds real bad, you know. Even taking into account that
 FD> you are right.

I'm sorry. I have not meant to use dirty tricks.

 AS>> I've posted proposal to our regional echo, but one voice of our
 AS>> RC doesn't matter much according to current practice. And I don't
 AS>> think that current practice is legitimate one. P4 says about
 AS>> referenda, not about RCs voting.

 FD> We are probably not reading the same doc :?

I've been mistaken. Now I see the policy is even worse than I thought
it was :(

 FD> Look, Alex, never mind whether current practice has it not to listen
 FD> to your RC. His vote is what counts for the rest of us.

He will surely vote. No need to worry.

 FD> Making sure he votes what the majority of SysOps in your region think
 FD> is the best you can do to change things, and what is democratic.

I have a great respect for our RC, I'm sure he will go this way.

 FD> If he doesn't then throw him to the lions and get one that will
 FD> comply __never mind policy__. And, you can post the results of
 FD> whatever poll you carry out so the rest of us know what the opinion
 FD> of the majority is. Before, during or after the Initiation. I'm sure
 FD> we'll be most happy to hear the majority's voice and support it.

This is my true intention. As a rule I don't act 'against something',
but 'for something'. Unfortunately sometimes it comes to controversy.

 FD> I think understand your opinions and feelings and share most of them.
 FD> That is why I recommend the above.

 FD> But taking out a bolt with a hammer renders the nut useless.

(sign) never during my fidolife I had so mixed feelings :(

Bye, Sinc, Alex

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