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echo: philos
to: BOB EYER
from: ANDREW CUMMINS
date: 1998-04-07 17:10:00
subject: Creationism

 -=> Quoting Bob Eyer to Andrew Cummins <=-
 BE> Not if you're sympathetic with the position of Frederick Rice.
 BE> Rice maintains that atheists are those who merely lack a belief in
 BE> God(s).  There's nothing in that definition that prohibits an
 BE> atheist from saying, "God said so".
Let not the quality of intelligence be insulted.  Mr. Rice
is an athiest and he believes that there is no God.  Atheist
organizations express there confidence that there is no God.
And, my Webster's dictionary defines atheism as the denial
that there is a God.  No, Mr. Eyer, the term "atheism" is
not a substitute for the term "agnostic."
Further, my reference to "God said so" is not to be taken
crassly as you chose.  The atheist cannot say "God said so"
and mean it to any degree.  The atheist says "Science says
so" regardless of what science indicates.
 BE> -But we HAVE transitional forms. They are not non-existent merely
 BE> rare. -As one would expect if the punctuated evolution theory is
 BE> correct.
There are no transitional forms.  There is not one that is
strongly compelling and there are not nearly sufficient
numbers of suspected transitionals for Evolution to be true.
 BE> Large numbers already do.  The discovery of the first complete
 BE> H.erectus skeleton was made only about 13 years ago.  Before that,
 BE> evolutionists had skeletons of H.habilis and H.sapiens, but none
 BE> for the transitional subspecies.  There are literally thousands of
 BE> cases like this in different branches of the evolutionary process.
Thousands of cases?  Why doesn't someone add more to that
transitionals FAQ that is often tossed around?  Even most
of the fossils in that FAQ are not considered really to
be transitional by even most Evolutionists with science
PhDs.
What about H.erectus (e.g. Java Man) is compelling evdience of
transition to anyone who posses scientific skeptism? Consider one
serious blow:  There is nothing about H.erectus that cannot be
explained by non-evolutionary variation.  Evolutionists
themselves invoke these explanations for E.erectus fossils that
are found outside of the time span E.erectus is suppose to have
lived (which includes most E.erectus fossils).
 BE> That's not my information.  The oldest fossils are 3.5 billion
 BE> years old (of stromatolitic bacteria, found in Greenland).  There
 BE> are one helluva lot of other fossils, such as fossils of
 BE> trilobites (500-570 mya), etc.
Stromatolitic bacteria (blue-green algea to anyone who speaks
plain english) can still be found alive.  That's a long
time of stability, heh?  Besides, I still dispute the date.
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