-=> Quoting Rich Willbanks to Kent Anderson <=-
 RW> It seems to me that you are the one who don't
 RW> understand HOW it is used.  I've seen it FIRST HAND.
 RW> Zero Tolerance (ZT) means just that ZERO, none, nada,
 RW> zilch tolerance for any violation of the rules.
 RW> You seem to want to apply ZT only to certain crimes or
 RW> areas.  IOW, you don't want ZT, you want ZT in the
 RW> areas YOU think is good but want Some Tolerance (ST) in
 RW> other areas.  Sorry but you can't have it both ways w/o
 RW> looking or being hypocritical or preadjust.
No, Rich,
I want zero tolerance appied by law enforcement agencies in an area,
or relating to offenses that have become a nightmare for a community.
Actually, I would like to see a police force have little tolerance for
any breach of criminal law. It's obvious that no community has the
manpower to do that throughout a city, but must concentrate those
efforts where the citizens need it most.
 KA> ....................... When Tom (or others) explain that
 KA> zero tolerance is mostly used at the demand of citizens in
 KA> an area that has been or is being taken over by scumbags, it
 KA> just goes over your head. Then, you throw up incidences of
 KA> abuse arising out of a school district's application of zero
 KA> tolerance.
 RW> I again point out that I have LIVED THROUGH A ZT
 RW> NIGHTMARE, one that could have cost my daughter her
 RW> life!!  And it was demanded by the citizens.  They
 RW> wanted to prevent drugs at school.  What they didn't
 RW> realize was that once you let the genie out of the
 RW> bottle it takes on a life of its own.
And you have my full understanding of and sympathy for what happened
at the school level. We are trying to talk of law enforcement agancies'
application of it. Even in the school, it isn't that the coincept is
bad. Its _application_ in some districts goes totally overboard.
 RW> If you want a LE example just look at gun control.  It
 RW> started out as an idea to protect the citizens but it
 RW> has become a way to make sure the citizens are sheep
 RW> for the searing for the people who don't follow the
 RW> laws.
I am anti gun control, but that issue belongs in RTKBA.
 KA> Think about it a little deeper, huh!
 RW> Why don't you expend your thinking?  Do you really want
 RW> to turn your local police in to a bunch of mindless
 RW> robots who do nothing but strictly enforce the rules?
 RW> People who "just follow orders"?
I think it's a very rare occurrence for the police not to understand
what ZT means and to properly apply it as they set it up. It's been in
force several years here as relates to DUI, and I can't recall a
complaint except from one caught driving drunk. On the other hand, it
has had a lot of praise from survivors of those killed by drunk
drivers, and those who were injured by them.
RW> Or do you want to allow them the leeway to say "this
RW> guy just made a mistake and won't do it again" or "this
RW> guy is a total loser who will do it again and again"?
Until I hear of abuse of the concept byu police, I'll reserve
judgment.
Regards, and SFAIC, this ends my comments on the subject.
Kent,
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