PE> you included someone else's MSGID.

RS> That stuff is INSIDE the SOT/EOT which
RS> is supposed to be THERE for that stuff.

PE> No it isn't.

RS> Fraid so, you SPECIFICALLY mentioned the advantage when someone included
RS> an entire other message inside the body of the message and claimed that the
RS> SOT/EOT would protect against that producing and embedded origin line, in 
RS> the
RS> body of the text, apart from the true origin line at the bottom of the 
RS> message.

Yes, that is correct, I'm not worried about the origin line in the
middle of the text, except that PQWK 2.50 couldn't handle it due to
a bug.  If you read the quote above, it was about MSGID, not origin
line.

PE> Only kludges that are meant to mark up
PE> text are meant to go in the text portion.

RS> Welp, thats fucked. Because quite apart from a true kludge like
RS> MSGID, the whole point of the SOT/EOT was so you could have ^As on
RS> the front of lines in the text you wanted in the message, not as

No it wasn't.  ^As are not part of text, they are control lines.

RS> kludges at all, but because you wanted that in the body of text,
RS> usually because you have inserted some non pristine text in the body
RS> of the message for some reason, say including code code etc to be
RS> viewed without having to explicitly ensure that stuff like --- on the
RS> front of the line was edited out, because it was between the SOT/EOT.

The "---" is fine.

PE> This is in violation of both FTS-9 and FSC-0500.

PE> Please do not put kludge lines in your messages.

RS> It certainly wasnt deliberate. The system should handle it elegantly.

PE> Feel free to send me the code diffs for an improved product.

RS> Feel free to go and fuck yourself. 

I don't care what you do, so long as you send me in-spec messages.

RS> *I* wasnt the one proclaiming that
RS> its absolutely mandatory to strictly to adhere to all FTSs and FSCs in
RS> existence, and it cant be done anyway, some of them are mutually exclusive.

It is with the FTSs, and the FSCs you should either not use, or
conform to.

RS> In fact in this particular case we are actually talking about the design
RS> of the SOT/EOT handling, YOUR code. It appears you have mangled the concept
RS> considerably if it doesnt allow stuff that is normally part of the message
RS> non body text to be included between the SOT/EOT without the user having
RS> to manually edit that stuff out. That was supposed to be the WHOLE POINT
RS> of having the SOT/EOT in the first place, or atleast thats what you said.

I do.

RS> I'm quite sure you specifically mentioned that with the --- and the origin
RS> line, that you could have those included between the SOT/EOT safely.

That is fine.

PE> I HAVE provided a way for you to use it safely,
PE> and it is to NOT stuff around with kludges.

RS> Missing the point utterly, no one was stuffing around with
RS> any kludges,

You were.  By using a no-default option in PKT2QWK.

RS> just quoting a message, and THAT including some
RS> of that stuff. That was the WHOLE POINT of the SOT/EOT,
RS> marking an area where that stuff would not be searched for.

Nope, not on ^A lines.

PE> They should have been stripped by PQWK unless
PE> you deliberately overrode the default setting.

RS> Nope, I use the QWK2PKT command switches specified in the README apart
RS> from the -T. Needless to say the switches arent actually listed clearly.

PE> They should have been stripped by PKT2QWK, not QWK2PKT,

RS> Oh get fucked. You dont get to proclaim that the kludge

Rod, I don't care what you do, so long as you send me in-spec 
messages.

RS> lines be stripped as they are receive, PARTICULARLY stuff
RS> like MSGID which has some uses for threading and dupe checking.

Rod, I don't care what you do at your end, just don't send the 
MSGIDs back to me.

PE> so they would never have been an issue in the first place.

RS> Soorree, you dont get to proclaim that everyone must strip
RS> MSGIDs on messages they receive, 

No, I don't care what you do your end, I only care what you send me.

RS> PARTICULARLY when the vast
RS> bulk of messages have them now. Thats mindless fascism.

So you mean Maximus is also mindless fascism, because it strips
the MSGIDs before sending them to you?  Get real, Rod.  It's how
it was designed.  QWK was never meant to have kludges, that's why
your stupid QWK reader doesn't know what to do with them.

But like I said, I don't care WHAT you do, so long as you come up
with some mechanism to send me in-spec messages.  What I do if you
choose to send me out-of-spec messages will depend on the day.  
BFN.  Paul.
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