TR> DB> I keep hearing this word responsibility... it makes me want to
TR> puke! DB> I don't owe you anything. I pay my bills, carry my own
TR> weight and
TR> Responsibility came up in a message from Charles Hunter on this
TR> subject. I think that Charles Hunter was talking about
TR> responsibility to family
I wasn't directing the responsibility issue specifically at you, Tom. 
Its just that every time I hear that word, its usually coming from 
someone attempting to force their values upon someone else. 
Responsibility, to me, is a two way street. The (our) system demands 
so much from the individual yet assumes so little responsibility of 
its own.  
I'm looking as scenarios such as landowners being forced to put trees 
on their property by city politics... trees they don't want... then 
when the tree grows and the roots crack sidewalks, or fall down and 
bust up cars or people... the city demands the owner who didn't want 
the tree in the first place pay the damages.  Things of this respect.   
TR> You are right, you owe me nothing, and I owe you nothing. I'm
TR> curious, do you suggest that purely white people, if such a thing
TR> exists, individually owe a debt to the American Indians?
And maybe the Mexicans, too!  Actually, once I realized what Great 
Britian has done in South Africa, Spain and Portegal in the Far East, 
and how our ancestors aquired their dominance... I don't think much of 
anybody. Guess in ancient times it was the Egyptians and Greeks. 
Pretty unstable foundation, karma wise, to base a civilization on.
We won, they lost... dunno. I do know there's laws on the books, even 
in those times, every modern society existing today had broken in the 
process of expansion.  Sure wasn't what I was taught in History class.
DB
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