@@> From an intercept between Mark Bloss & Richard Meic
 @@> on "Creationism"
 
 RM> Besides this is philosophy, where we can discuss and explore what
 RM> ever and where ever we please. If this was science or theories
 RM> fine, detail the evidence, but this is not.
 
 MB> Thanks, Richard - this is certainly a valid point, and I fully
 MB> agree that within the scientific scope, my evidence does not meet
 MB> the requirments of science, even the science of which I am
 MB> considered expert.
 
 MB> On the other hand, detailing my evidence would not pose a particular
 MB> difficulty, since I consider all of nature, all the evidence I need.
 
 MB> I have a nagging suspicion that "science" never sees the forest for
 MB> the trees.  But rightly so, because the forest is a formal system,
 MB> and cannot prove itself.
 
  As repeated! .......my own take that both religious and scientific
  views are in for a surprize (NO evidence...gut feeling)!
  .....a forest big enough to hide much from both in many trees!!!
 
 Having read most of your postings over the last few years, I know
 you can well handle your positions within or without anything
 resembling agreements. Though continued arguments are possible,
 I've about exhausted mine; and began repeating myself. As "Creationism" ,
 "evidence", "evolution" and such cousin views have been extensively
 addressed by all sides with little changing of mind or new arguments,
 I might have one inquiry still bouncing around in my own thoughts-
 
 That pair of questions that I might ask-
  1. *IF* given the opportunity to save two souls at the cost of your own,
     how would you so act on it?
  2. If a Christian did make such a sacrifice to do so, what might it mean?
 
  I know the questions can be double-talked around to bury, avoid or change
  their prime thrust. I would hope you would not answer that way. It is
  Just some of those rhetorical thoughts I've played over in the curiosity
  of my mostly atheist mind; that do not really stumble clearly into any
  suspected answers.  Having asked the questions before to some Christian
  friends, I even wonder if such  should be asked again (the past answers
  received were painfully expressed ......most often that they could not,
  or would not, make such a sacrifice!
                               ;;
                               ++ ... Dave
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