-=> Quoting Janada Oakley to Jean Halverson <=-
 JH> I'll be honest, I think that the women who get a natural High
 JH> from being  pregnant are rare and completely goofy. Pregnancy
 JO> Actually I've known of quite a few women that claimed that, but I
 JO> still have to agree totally about the "goofy" part.  
 
 It's quite possible that those women are giving you a snow job, after all,
 you weren't with any of them during childbirth.  Not that anyone in his 
 right mind would want to spend a day with a woman in labor...
 I personnally, did not hang out with that group. You know they tend to hang
 around with others of similar interests and philosophy.
 JH> is a very draining experience from the weight of the child as
 JH> well as the excitement of bearing young. Hormones are not
 JH> nearly as helpful as some naturalists would have  us believe
 JH> (these are undoubtably the same ones who say that natural
 JH> childbirth  is painless.Yeah, right!). My first seven
 JO> Really! Painless?? I can't imagine that. With me my mother just said
 JO> "Knock me out and wake me when it's over." Then with my brother,
 JO> after 35+ hours in labor (being in a Catholic hospital, they were
 JO> very reluctant to give Caesareans), she grabbed the doctor by the
 JO> collar and said, "Give me a Caesarean! I'm not Catholic!"
 
 hahaha Yeah, the Lamaze people have a big concession on "painless 
 childbirth". Basically you hyperventilate yourself into unconciousness...
 okay, they _say_ you're breathing to control the _discomfort_. Yeah right.
 JH> pregnancies were okay except for  various problems ranging from
 JH> morning sickness (not _just_ a first trimester  problem) to low
 JH> blood sugar problems. My last pregnancy resulted in _severe_
 JH> depression among other things. And half of the deliveries had
 JO> My ex sister-in-law had a lot of problems like that with the first
 JO> two. I can't believe she went on to have two more...especially since
 JO> the third was from an affair with another man.
 
 Well, this I will say, the joy in holding that which you have worked so
 hard for really makes it worth it. Even to the point of _pretty_ much 
 forgetting the pain of childbirth. But there are some women who are like
 addicted to having babies. Of course they tend to neglect them when they're
 older. I knew a woman like that and read one of her favorite magazines once.
 I got one thing to say...wierd.
 
 JH> problems. Post-partum depression is more the result of a new
 JH> mom being left on her  own to take care of both child and house
 JH> without anyone to help. Complete  exhaustion results, after
 JH> all, baby has to be fed every two to three hours  for the first
 JH> two weeks of life. I let the house fall to ruin, personnally.
 JH> Just ask my mother-in-law.
 JO> Ugh! I really don't know how you did it! Well, at least I do have an
 JO> idea of how hard it is...enough to know it's not for me! 
 
 Yeah it's quite a bit of work those first few weeks, but God really gives
 alot of conpensation in that He has made the appearance of a baby so
 pleasing to behold to us. If one doesn't have to worry about keeping a
 clean house, it _can_ be one of the most enjoyable times of your life.
 But unfortunately, our society is so fractured that this is becoming more  
 and more difficult.
 JH> But what you've hypothesized about a woman carrying a baby for
 JH> 7 months and  then committing suicide...it's very improbable
 JH> but it could happen. After all, PBA's occur in the third
 JH> trimester and regardless of what we'd like to believe, _women_
 JH> are the ones asking for it.
 JO> Oh, that is very true, and even *that* is hard to imagine. Even
 JO> harder is if they killed themselves too. I'd say women getting PBA's
 JO> are about at the height of self-centeredness...okay to kill another
 JO> being, but I bet they don't want to die themselves. 
 
 Murder is the ultimate selfish act, don't you think? Completely pre-empting
 another person for one's own reasons.
 What I don't get is why kill a baby who is able to live outside the womb?
 Just do an induced birth and let the baby go to someone who wants it.
 Heaven knows that there are so many people who wait for years for the 
 chance to adopt.
 
 Jean Halverson
... Carpe ductum.
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