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echo: surv_rush
to: JEAN HALVERSON
from: JANADA OAKLEY
date: 1998-04-03 00:01:00
subject: Re: Dufus` Waterloo?

 JH> What dead bodies are you talking about????? You all keep
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JO> I have a list of 40 people who have been real close to Bill
JH> snip
JO> The strangest "suicides" I find are the two *right-handed*
JO> women who are supposed to have shot themselves in the left side
JO> of the head.
JH> ...
JO> Say, I've always heard that pregnant women rarely kill
JO> themselves as it is, and the farther along the rarer it
JO> happens, due to hormones. I've even heard of women saying they
JO> get a sort of natural high being pregnant (after the morning
JO> sickness is over, of course). That would also make sense of the
JO> "withdrawal" of post partum depression. Maybe you could give me
JO> some insight on that since you have some experience in the
JO> area. It does make sense that God would include something like
JO> that along with the survival instinct. I will never believe
JO> that a woman went all through worst of a pregnancy, to be close
JO> enough that the baby could even live on its own, and suddenly
JO> decide to blow her brains out...even as bad as the thought of
JO> having a baby Bill would be! What do you think?
JH> I'll be honest, I think that the women who get a natural High
JH> from being  pregnant are rare and completely goofy. Pregnancy
Actually I've known of quite a few women that claimed that, but I
still have to agree totally about the "goofy" part.  
JH> is a very draining experience from the weight of the child as
JH> well as the excitement of bearing young. Hormones are not
JH> nearly as helpful as some naturalists would have  us believe
JH> (these are undoubtably the same ones who say that natural
JH> childbirth  is painless.Yeah, right!). My first seven
Really! Painless?? I can't imagine that. With me my mother just said
"Knock me out and wake me when it's over." Then with my brother,
after 35+ hours in labor (being in a Catholic hospital, they were
very reluctant to give Caesareans), she grabbed the doctor by the
collar and said, "Give me a Caesarean! I'm not Catholic!"
JH> pregnancies were okay except for  various problems ranging from
JH> morning sickness (not _just_ a first trimester  problem) to low
JH> blood sugar problems. My last pregnancy resulted in _severe_
JH> depression among other things. And half of the deliveries had
My ex sister-in-law had a lot of problems like that with the first
two. I can't believe she went on to have two more...especially since
the third was from an affair with another man.
JH> problems. Post-partum depression is more the result of a new
JH> mom being left on her  own to take care of both child and house
JH> without anyone to help. Complete  exhaustion results, after
JH> all, baby has to be fed every two to three hours  for the first
JH> two weeks of life. I let the house fall to ruin, personnally.
JH> Just ask my mother-in-law.
Ugh! I really don't know how you did it! Well, at least I do have an
idea of how hard it is...enough to know it's not for me! 
JH> But what you've hypothesized about a woman carrying a baby for
JH> 7 months and  then committing suicide...it's very improbable
JH> but it could happen. After all, PBA's occur in the third
JH> trimester and regardless of what we'd like to believe, _women_
JH> are the ones asking for it.
Oh, that is very true, and even *that* is hard to imagine. Even
harder is if they killed themselves too. I'd say women getting PBA's
are about at the height of self-centeredness...okay to kill another
being, but I bet they don't want to die themselves. 
JO> have an e-mail address to receive it, I could probably get it
JO> to you through a local bbs. Where are you, anyway?  ...
JH> I'm in Cleburne but the bbs I use for email is in Burleson.
JH> jean.halverson@ratznest.reg19.fidonet.org
Oh, then you aren't too far from my brother. He lives in Grand View.
Anyway I guess Cleburne is the nearest city to him of any size.Sorry
I'm so slow. I'll get that sent to you. I am REALLY behind on my
mail this time!
JH> It'd be nice to have that list especially the one of the
JH> supposed 200.
Counting Ron Brown and company, that is about right. .My list hasn't
been updated lately...partly because I was trying to get them from at
least 3 sources before I added them. 
... Bobbitized: You HAVE dead meat.   Fosterized: You ARE dead meat.
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