RW> It seems to me that you are the one who don't understand HOW it is
 RW> used.  I've seen it FIRST HAND. Zero Tolerance (ZT) means just that
 RW> ZERO, none, nada, zilch tolerance for any violation of the rules.
TR> Ok, Rich, do you wish to talk about schools or law
TR> enforcement? I read the rest of your message, and you are
Neither I'm talking about ZT and how it can very easily
go from a good idea to a tar baby.
TR> completely different. There is also a HUGE difference
TR> between a SCHOOL RULE and a PUBLIC LAW. You are mixing the
TR> two while discussing law enforcement. It is probably against
Not so HUGE.  Both are, more or less, totalitarian
systems where the rules are enforced and punishment
given out for violating the rules.
TR> the rules to chew gum in class, but that is not against the
TR> law. Glucose tabs may be against the rules in school, but
TR> they are not against the law. If you talk in school without
Want to bet?  Take one out and try to sell it to an
under cover cop as "something good" and see what
happens.  In both situations the harmless tabs are
treated just the same as an illegal drug.
TR> completely different discussion topics: 1) school rules and
TR> policies; 2) public law enforcement. The TWO are not the
Two different systems but the same topic, ZT.  If I
wanted to I could add "Politically Correct Speech" to
the discussing.  It started out as trying to keep
people from using words to inflict pain or start
trouble.  It has reached the point that any harsh words
aimed at a person of X, Y, or Z race and you can be
punished.
 RW> The rules say no student may have "drugs" in their possession.
 RW> It doesn't matter if the "drugs" are 100 hits of LSD and a pound
 RW> of cocaine or a single marijuana seed or a metered dose inhalant
TR> This is a perfect example of a school rule, not a public
TR> law. If you wanted to talk about a law enforcement program,
TR> this would not be part of the discussion, as this is a
This is an example of what has happened in schools with
ZT and what COULD happen if ZT is expanded to LE.
TR> covered by PUBLIC LAW. The prescribed medication is
TR> completely legal in the hands of the person it was
TR> prescribed for, even though it may be against the school
Maybe legal but it may not be treated that way.  As I
pointed out in another msg I have to take a med every 6
hrs.  When I get the script refilled they give me a
three months supply, the bottle they come in looks like
a one litter soda bottle.  When I'm going to be out for
a while I don't take that sucker I put a couple of
pills in something else.  Either a smaller pill bottle
or just drop it into my watch pocket.
Now let's say I'm looking for a store in a new part of
town, which just happens to be a ZT area.  I'm driving
slow, looking around, just like someone cruising the
area for drugs. I get pulled over and searched "for the
officer's safety" and they find the "drugs".  Now I
don't have a script or a bottle showing I have a
script.  Guess what?  I'm in the back of the car on my
way to be fingerprinted because it is a ZT area and I
am in possession of "drugs".
TR> Rich, I would simply ask you to make a distinction between
TR> school policies and public law. A zero tolerance law
TR> enforcement program would not utilize school policies or
TR> rules, rather existing PUBLIC LAW.
Again I point out that I'm using it as an example of
how a ZT GOVERNMENT program has gone power crazy to
show what MIGHT happen if another GOVERNMENT agency is
given the same power.
                      Remember:  Freedom isn't Free!
--- timEd-B11
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