On 21 Nov 02  08:02:41, Thom Lacosta said the following to Bob Short:

TL>  BS> I'm not coloring anything, Thom.  I shoot from the hip.  
 
TL> Of course you color things...we all do, and to deny it would be a cruel
TL> joke to play on folks who don't have an in-depth grasp of human nature.

OK... I may be guilty of tinting my thoughts a pretty shade of rose
from time to time, but not as a means of beguilement (not saying you
are), but to perpetuate optimism in the face of adversity.  :)

TL> It strikes me that in this entire discussion, you leave little room for
TL> those who disagree with the "movement".  Where they may
state questions, 
TL> criticisms, you appear to cast blame on them.

I think you mean more to say that I have less tolerance for negative
rhetoric than I should.   That may be true to a point, but more so
for comments that have little to do with the core proposal (or areas
not included in it).  How long this takes has nothing to do with the
proposal.  

I'll happily debate any real issue you'd like to bring up, and welcome
your comments as either instruction or rebuttal fodder.  Either way,
such will deal with issues, not time-lines.

TL> Personally, I think it's very valuable for folks to argue the points and in
TL> some instances point to the nagatives of the issue.  Your wanting folks not
TL> make negative comments on how long it takes flies in the face of evaluating
TL> proposal on its merits.

Because there can be no advantage to such comments.  They are not made
to add meaningful discourse, but to bring unfavorable light to something
in which we no longer have control over.  What did you expect to achieve
by pointing out this delay?

TL>  BS> One might think you were among the detractors.  ;-)
 
TL> In many ways I am...and I have been and will continue to verbalize my 
TL> thougts.

Yes... I know you are, and I hope to do (in that order).  I've gleaned
from your writings that you are a closet radical... a proponant of
change that exceeds what we are attempting now, though not as overt
as some others.

You'd be supprised my vision of a future FidoNet...  ;-)

TL>  BS> The cap is not mine to place, and I won't give up on this until
TL>  BS> either Ward or the RC's shoot it down.  So far, I see is
TL>  BS> unaccountable delays, but nothing that indicates failure.
 
TL> I'll buy that...

OK... but don't expect change back.  ;-)

TL> but please stop telling people they can't/shouldn't make
TL> negative comments.

How's about we strike a compromise?  Bring up all the points you
feel needed, but limit them to real issues, and I'll make an effort
to be less itenerant.  ;-)

Bob

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