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echo: locsysop
to: Rod Speed
from: Paul Edwards
date: 1996-05-24 23:39:20
subject: echomail

PE> How do you implement an OPTIONAL kludge?

RS> Soorree, you havent grasped the difference between one like say the
RS> MSGID which is a single isolated optional kludge, and an optional
RS> kludge which gets changed at each step along the way. With THOSE,
RS> the optional concept falls down very badly when its FIRST used part
RS> way along the chain. THEN what you have in the kludge is fucked.

PE> It doesn't fall down at all, it is simply the way it works.

RS> Thats what I SAID Paul, that you get that fucked
RS> result when that type of kludge is optional.

The result is not fucked.  It is the best you can do, with an
optional kludge.

PE> How would you have liked them to implement that OPTIONAL kludge?

RS> I didnt say there WAS a better way, you are stuck with a fucked outcome in
RS> that case, essentially because of the way that fidomail has changed so much
RS> from its original state, so its just being anal to be raving ou about 
RS> strict
RS> adherence to 'the specs' when its just not possible in the circumstances.

Smoke.

RS> Its hard enough when 'the specs' are just cast in stone and obeyed.

Smoke.

RS> The real world out there is a HELL of a lot more complex than mindless
RS> anal hair splitting on what breaks 'the specs'. One day you might notice.

Smoke.

RS> YOUR approach to allowing embedded origin lines breaks 'the specs'

No it doesn't.  There is no spec outlawing those ascii characters
in user-text.  There IS something outlawing a nonconforming kludge
line in user-text.  FTS-1.

RS> So you are in no position to proclaim that say a MSGID between
RS> an SOT/EOT pair is utterly unthinkable, but an origin line isnt.

Smoke.

RS> Its just yet another example of when mindlessly attempting to
RS> proclaim what is and is not 'in spec' blows up in your face, JUST
RS> like it did on the embedded origin line between an SOT/EOT pair TOO.

PE> No it didn't, Rod.

RS> Fraid so. And I doubt you will ever be able to grasp it.

Smoke.

RS> Its nothing like as cut and dried as you are trying to claim.

PE> It is.

RS> Fraid not, and even the FTS chair knows that. Soorree.

Oh yeah, what does the FTS chair know?  Should be good for a laugh.
BFN.  Paul.
@EOT:

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