-=> Thom was mumbling about Is There A Healthy Limit <=-
 TA> Hello Thom!
 TD>  
 TA> In a message to Wagbag  Thom R. wrote:
 TR> By the way, did you notice my acknowledging that my opinion is MY
 TR> opinion and not the only one??! No, of course 
 TR> not... you'd rather just
 TR> lynch me, wouldn't you?
 TD>  On this occasion we may ;-)
 TD>  However it's come to my attention that this thread is becoming a flame
 TD>  war that's erupting on -=MY=- Echo.. This topic is not conducive to the
 TD>  recovery echo.... It has a high flame factor... 
 TD>  I am not discounting your experience Thom.. what I see here is a bunch
 TD>  of -=opinions=- ranging from the most sane to the extreme...
 TD>  I suggest the readers of this echo start applying the 10th tradition
 TD>  to thier sharing.. The amount of alcohol or lack of such in certain
 TD>  products and how it affects our recovery date is an outside issue
 TD>  because in Recovery I don't drink alcohol... simply put.
 TD>  Not for effect, not on purpose, not even accidentally 
 TD> if I can be so lucky..
 TD>  This subject in the future will be avoided by -=ALL=- I don't want a 
 TD>  TLP like thread developing here to ruin the 
 TD> readership that I have labored
 TD>  to build up....
 TD>  Tim Dill
 TD>  Asst Moderator Recovery Echo
  Since I have returned to this echo I have made every effort to avoid the 
discussion of religion.  I have made mention of it as it DIRECTLY related to 
my history with A/A.  I have not made mention of this history to flame or to 
start arguments.  I have made mention of it because Is see here and other 
places that while not the majority it does reflect a path that some walk in 
recovery.  The result of my few comments has been that the religious and 
pious members of this conference have felt the need to point out their own 
right to have the "Lords" prayer at meetings and yet another who insisted on 
being kind and sticking  "The love of Christ" in my face.  I have no need to 
practice my religion in this echo.  I do not even sign my messages with a 
religious note, unless it is in reply to the same from someone of like mind.  
I left this conference because of the same situation.  I have a choice, 
either be silent in reference to my A/A history (one I have walked WITHOUT a 
sponsor because none would have me in this area!) or suffer religious debate 
after religious debate and then be blamed for reacting to them in kind.  In 
my life outside this echo I am know nationally for my Ant-christian position. 
 I believe it the greatest evil that mankind has ever spawned.  That is not 
recovery nor does it have a place in this echo. It remains that I am offended 
when somone preaches at me about their religion.  It does not matter if it is 
socially acceptable to do so, it is offensive.  I do not mind if somone 
states that thier christ helped them with.... whatever, I am offended when 
they tell me "Jesus loves you and you are his... "  or like dribble.   What 
would be the stink should I Say  "I cast as spell with your name on it today, 
in an effort to force you to believe the same as me"   It would be a great 
insult, yet the same coming from a christian is supposed to be alright? I do 
not feel that my position is out of hand, or inconsistent with what I have 
read in the Big book nor what the program stands for.  I am not attempting to 
force my position on anyone, its mine alone, its right for me.  Yet this is 
my position and I will hold to it.  Should you or anyone else not want me in 
the conference I will be glad to pack it up and stay out.  I choose to bring 
this to your direct attention should there be any confusion on my position.
                                 Thank you..
                                   Jeanne' Re Montandon
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