On 2014-08-18 2:02 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> Jax pretended :
>> FromTheRafters  wrote in
>> news:lrtio7$ndd$1@speranza.aioe.org:
>>> After serious thinking Dustin wrote :
>>>> FromTheRafters  wrote in
>>>> news:lrte22$r6t$1 @news2.open-news-network.org:
>>>>> Dustin was thinking very hard :
>>>>>> "David W. Hodgins"  wrote in
>>>>>> news:op.xj4xbphsa3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:18:40 -0400, Wolf K
>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2014-08-05 9:58 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I disagree with this usage when in this context. These
>>>>>>>>> entities exist and are accessed before there is a file
>>>>>>>>> system extant to access true  files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "True" files????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now we're getting into the semantics of what a file is. I do
>>>>>>> agree the boot sector and bios contain data. I don't agree
>>>>>>> that they are files. A file has a name, that is accessible
>>>>>>> from the os. Neither of the above have names. While some
>>>>>>> programs can read/write them, a general file browser cannot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with you and FTR on this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, this is what a "file" is becoming most likely. This
>>>>> context is  quite different from the context we should be using
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> You can obviously see the potential for abuse this will provide?
>>>>
>>>>> http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/?id
154539
>>>>
>>>> Frightening....
>>>>
>>>> We suggest that one aspect of this adaptation is to encompass
>>>> metadata within a file abstraction; another has to do what such a
>>>> shift would mean for enduring user actions such as =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=
=9Ccopy=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2 and
>>>> =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Cdelete=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2 applicable to th=
e deriving file types. We finish by
>>>> arguing that there is an especial need to support the notion of
>>>> =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Cownership=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2 that adequate=
ly serves both users and engineers
>>>> as they engage with the world of networked sociality.
>>>> engineers? What a fancy term for er, Microsoft programmer. :)
>>>
>>> I can see it now
>>> Definition:
>>>
>>> File - an internet standard devised by Microsoft to create an
>>> abstraction for anything a user might need an abstraction for.
>>
>> Rafters what's an abstraction?
>
> In this case it's a way of making some underlying complexity seem more
> simple to the user. That's not an official definition, but it's close.
> In this sense it is the underlying, perhaps scattered, data which the
> user thinks of as a file being presented to the user as if it were
> actually a file.
>
> An example is the File Transfer Protocol - you don't actually transfer =
a
> file, you "create" a file locally (zero-length) and "access" a file
> remotely (contains the desired data) and read it out, then write it in
> to the newly created file. Metadata can be sent to make the local file
> look like the remote file as far as timestamps and other filesytem data=

> is concerned.
>
> In this way, data which exists in chunks spread amongst many separate
> computers in a cloudlike fashion (like some P2P systems) can be treated=

> (by the user) as if it were a file being transferred. Another is that a=

> "folder" is an abstraction of a "directory" and some icons and buttons
> are abstractions of more complicated commmands.

Explain "libraries" in Windows.... ;-)

Have a good day,

-- 
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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