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to: Frank Haber
from: Rich
date: 2004-08-26 11:00:52
subject: Re: SP2 DEP Issues

From: "Rich" 

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   DEP is used for two related items, one software and one hardware.  =
Both are supported for 32-bit and 64-bit.  There is no waiting.  You = will
need a processor that support NX for hardware support.  The = software DEP
is a subset of what the hardware DEP would enforce.

   Anyway, there are plenty of applications that try to execute memory =
that they did not allocate as executable.  This is why the default for =
Windows XP SP2 is to enable DEP for system services only on x86.  The =
.NET Framework, assuming you have the latest service packs, is OK.  = There
are app compat work arounds for some of the common failures.  = Whether it
is an issue depends on what software you run.  I have my = systems
configured with all except named apps and have no exceptions and = I have
not seen any failures.

Rich

  "Frank Haber"  wrote in message =
news:412e0ad6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Anyone else seen problems with the somewhat inchoate Data Execution
  Protection, a trainer-wheels software form of what's coming for us all =
in the
  64-bit world?  I haven't seen it myself yet, but a friend got bit bad =
with a
  stalled install of some VBNET package or other.  He had to back off to
  yesterday, turn off the DEP service for "all except named apps," then
  reinstall.  He's not sure all NET components are kosher yet - more =
later.

  He pointed me to this Q:

  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=3D875351

  I'm hearing generally positive things from small users, but there may =
be
  problems with PCAnywhere 10.  Symantec says all is ducky, of course.  =
Very
  preliminary indications seem to say things go smoother on a machine =
patched to
  latest under SP1 than with somethng off the shelf that needs lots of =
updates.
  And the CD local install seems lots better than depending on the net =
for a
  patch this big.

  --=20

  -Frank

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   DEP is
used for two =
related items, one=20
software and one hardware.  Both are supported for 32-bit and =
64-bit. =20
There is no waiting.  You will need a processor that support NX for =

hardware support.  The software DEP is a subset of what the =
hardware DEP=20
would enforce.
 
   Anyway,
there are plenty =
of=20
applications that try to execute memory that they did not allocate as=20
executable.  This is why the default for Windows XP
SP2 is to = enable=20
DEP for system services only on x86.  The .NET Framework, assuming
= you have=20
the latest service packs, is OK.  There are app compat work arounds = for=20
some of the common failures.  Whether it is an issue depends on = what=20
software you run.  I have my systems configured with all except =
named apps=20
and have no exceptions and I have not seen any failures.
 
Rich
 

  "Frank Haber" <frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>">mailto:frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber{at}N0SPMrcn.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message news:412e0ad6$1{at}w3.nls.net...Anyone=20
  else seen problems with the somewhat inchoate Data =
ExecutionProtection, a=20
  trainer-wheels software form of what's coming for us all in =
the64-bit=20
  world?  I haven't seen it myself yet, but a friend got bit bad =
with=20
  astalled install of some VBNET package or other.  He had to =
back off=20
  toyesterday, turn off the DEP service for "all except
named apps," =

  thenreinstall.  He's not sure all NET components are kosher =
yet -=20
  more later.He pointed me to this Q:http://s" target="new">http://s=">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=3D875351">http://s=
upport.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=3D875351I'm=20
  hearing generally positive things from small users, but there may=20
  beproblems with PCAnywhere 10.  Symantec says all is ducky, =
of=20
  course.  Verypreliminary indications seem to say things go =
smoother=20
  on a machine patched tolatest under SP1 than with somethng off the =
shelf=20
  that needs lots of updates.And the CD local install seems lots =
better than=20
  depending on the net for apatch this big.--=20
-Frank

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