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 BS> I'll note your complete failure to ask for any.
Actually, I believe I did ask in the original post.
 BS> Actually, it is *because* of all the above that blacks, as a
 BS> community, are "2nd-rate" citizens (whatever you really mean by
 BS> that). The black "leaders" like Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, etc., who
 BS> demand preferential treatment and welfare money have become the new
 BS> slave masters of their own people by spoiling them and making them
 BS> dependent, and the white man in power is ever so happy to foot the
 BS> bill, because that gives them the black and liberal votes which keep
 BS> them in power.
A million black men didn't show up to listen to Farrikhan
because one man, Farrikhan, is a racist slim, but because
a million are racist slime.  It is popularity that lifts
the likes of Jessie Jackson up.
 BS> After the whining stopped, they would be forced to compete or sink
 BS> back even lower in status than they are now.  Or they would revolt
 BS> and we'd have a civil war between blacks and whites.
Black culture doesn't give blacks the ability to organize
a revolt, so you must be referring to massive riots.
 
 AC> No doubt, there's plenty of white trash.  But, by the criteria
 AC> that earns a white man the label of "trash" there's a much greater
 AC> proportion of blacks that meet that criteria.
 BS> Evidence?
More blacks are born out of wedlock.  More blacks commit
crimes.  More blacks use poor English.  Just what "trash"
criteria do you think more whites meet?
 
 BS> There are separate communities of blacks, just as there are
 BS> separate white communities.
Which Affirmative Action programs considers that there
are separate communities within the black and white communities?
 BS> Of course I object to that.  Martin Luther King Jr. and the whole
 BS> civil rights movement up to his death spoke of a colorblind society,
 BS> and that's the only solution that will result in true equality for
 BS> all men.
Right.  But, most people do not want a color blind society.
 BS> But these laws are worthless if no one will follow them.  We have
 BS> sufficient laws to keep interstate traffic to a safe speed, but
 BS> people disobey them because their heart isn't behind the law.  Same
 BS> with anti-discrimination laws.  These laws will not affect change in
 BS> our society as long as there are anti-black bigots like you in charge
 BS> of things.
I have never discriminated against someone on the base of race.
Indeed, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to vote for a black
guy (or woman) who held the more conservative/libertarian view
over the other candidates.
The greater ignorance of your statement is your delusion that
there are anti-black bigots running things.  What few there exist
are swiftly and severely punished as soon as anyone notices.
Indeed, even the accusation of racism against blacks is extremely
damaging to any person or company, even those racist companies
which give massive preferential treatment to blacks (like
Texaco).
 
 BS> You seem to imply by that and all your other comments and
 BS> questions that this is a matter of biological and/or mental
 BS> differences between whites and blacks, rather than either cultural
 BS> differences or a result of 2-3 centuries of suppression.  You have
 BS> nothing but anecdotal evidence - if even that - to support such a
 BS> claim.
My own position is that the problem with blacks is black culture
not genetics nor "centuries of suppression."  Indeed, most of the
problems in the black community have dramatically increased even
as tolerance of racism against blacks has approached zero and as
preferential treatment increased.  Black immigrants from much
more disadvantaged backgrounds perform much better than native
American blacks.
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