Hola Alex  :)

Monday November 18 2002 20:48, Alex Shakhaylo decˇa a Bob Short:

 AS> I don't think it is fair that only RCs vote for a new policy or policy
 AS> amendments. It would be fair if RCs votes were proportional to number
 AS> of members of their regions.

There are many of us who think it unfair. You are not alone.
But, if changes are not done according to the present rules/norms/law then
those changes are worthless and can be changed again in the same manner by
another group who thinks otherwise.
You can take out a bolt unless you use the right spanner. If you do it by
force you are left with no nut for a new bolt.

 AS> Our people are disappointed by amendment.

So are many. But point is: they are not the only nodes in Fido. Others have
to be taken into account _as well_.

 AS> I remember. But I waited for more conceptual changes of this one.

Take out all bolts at once  :?  With a sledgehammer :?
There's the danger of breaking the thing.

 AS>>> Why RCs ? Do we have a network where RCs define a policy ?

 BS>> At this stage they do, in that they are the group rsponsible for
 BS>> deciding whether an amendment proceeds to the balloting phase.
 BS>> IE: Initiation.

 AS> I think this concept is completely wrong.

As Bob says, at this stage, yes, the RCs are the ones to decide.
I don't like it, you don't like it, many don't like it, but that is how it
is at present.  I'm afraid the only way out of it is change it from within,
otherwise you break it. Found another network?  Many have tried that ...

 AS> And I understand why Ward is trying to pass trough this one. He wants
 AS> that minority ruled majority.

I've no idea about this so I won't comment.
But I very much doubt things are the way you put it. It would be absurd.
Change of policy has to be done according to policy. No other way is acceptable.


 AS> And we are the real majority of fidonet, you know.

Mmmm. That sounds real bad, you know. Even taking into account that you are right.

 BS>> The best we can do now is get as many translations out to them as
 BS>> soon as we can.  I recieved your netmail, and will respond here:
 BS>> If you have read the Snoose article I wrote, translate that and
 BS>> sent it to your RC, and ask him to cross-post it in his regional
 BS>> echos for sysop input, and then netmail Ward with his vote for or
 BS>> against a referendum.

 AS> I've posted proposal to our regional echo, but one voice of our RC
 AS> doesn't matter much according to current practice. And I don't think
 AS> that current practice is legitimate one. P4 says about referenda, not
 AS> about RCs voting.

We are probably not reading the same doc :?

Look, Alex, never mind whether current practice has it not to listen to
your RC. His vote is what counts for the rest of us. Making sure he votes
what the majority of SysOps in your region think is the best you can do to
change things, and what is democratic. If he doesn't then throw him to the
lions and get one that will comply __never mind policy__.
And, you can post the results of whatever poll you carry out so the rest of
us know what the opinion of the majority is. Before, during or after the
Initiation. I'm sure we'll be most happy to hear the majority's voice and
support it.

I think understand your opinions and feelings and share most of them. That
is why I recommend the above.

But taking out a bolt with a hammer renders the nut useless.

Felipe  :)

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