Patrick Ford wrote in a message to Roger Nelson:
 PF> Billion. 12 Million years ago the dinosaurs were already fossils.
 PF> But there were no black holes or neutron stars before the big bang.
No.  Not our universe's original Big Bang, Patrick.  The one that was on the 
news recently that the scientists have photos of.  The light coming from that 
Bang took them M or B light years to get here so that we could photograph it.
 PF> There was nothing except a dot containing the universe because
 PF> space and time didn't exist yet. 
Where is your proof for the above statement?  (-:[
Regards,
Roger
Roger.Nelson@f7.n3828.z1.fidonet.org 
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