Carey Bloodworth wrote the following to Craig Ford, and I quote (in part):
  CF> Presently, 3COM/USR and ZyXEL are the only players in the 
  CF> commodity modem market that still "roll their own", _all_ the 
  CF> others are using chipset solutions.
 CB> What about Vocal, GAO, etc.?  Who do they sell to?  Not everybody
 CB> is buying Rockwell chips.  Somebody has to be buying, or they
 CB> wouldn't be in business.
Read what I wrote again Carey. Did I say that everyone else is using Rockwell 
chipsets?
  CF> Not quite true, non-USR V.32terbo modems were just unable to attain 
  CF> the 21.6Kbps signalling rate possible between two USRs, they 
  CF> worked quite well at the 16.8 and 19.2Kbps signalling rates.
 CB> I didn't anywhere say USR didn't also support standard 'official'
 CB> v.32terbo.  (And I didn't think I implied it, although judging from
 CB> the number of replies I've got, a lot of people erroneously infered
 CB> it.) 
 CB> Only that, USR didn't create v.32terbo itself, that AT&T did.  And
 CB> that although USR did indeed 'create' their own extended v.32terbo,
 CB> that it was not the same v.32terbo that everybody else used.
V.32terbo as implemented by USR is _exactly_ the same as implemented by 
everyone else at the 16.8 and 19.2Kbps signalling rates, if it were not, the 
modems would not interoperate at those rates.
 CB> That USR's extended version was incompatible with anyone elses
 CB> v.32terbo.
-Nobody- else extended V.32terbo, so who was there to be incompatable with? 
 CB> USR extended it, but didn't change its name (how about
 CB> v.32terbo+...?), which would imply that the version they did create
 CB> (and publicize) _was_ v.32terbo.   The same v.32terbo that 
 CB> everybody else was using.  It wasn't.  And that you could thank 
 CB> USR for the v.32terbo that 'everybody' was using.  You couldn't.
Again, it -is- exactly the same at the signalling rates implemented by 
hers.
 CB> The part of the original message I responded to strongly implied
 CB> (possibly explicitly.  I can't remember.  Been too long and the
 CB> message was way too long.) that USR created v.32terbo.
The message asked a question, "Who developed V.32terbo?".
 CB> They didn't.  All they did was create their own incompatabile,
 CB> proprietary extension to v.32terbo, but left the name the same,
 CB> implying it was still the same old v.32terbo that everybody else
 CB> used.
It is the same.
Regards....
Craig
aka: cford@ix.netcom.com
   : craig.ford@2001.conchbbs.com
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