RM> To be blunt, I am fed up with others bringing personal hatred, flame,
 RM> shitty attitude and the like here to vent.  This is not netmail, this is
 RM> not "you can do what ever you please to piss off whom ever you please"
 RM> kind of echo.  This is philosophy, if any of you do not understand what
 RM> philosophy is, OR think they know ALL about everything and have a need
 RM> to bash other's heads against a wall, go some place else - like,
 RM> perhaps, *NETMAIL*!
 BS> Yes, there are some newcomers to the PHIL echo who think they've matured
 BS> enough to crawl out of the HolySmoke sewage.  Their behavior here
 BS> provides ample evidence to the contrary.  Of course they are too
 BS> immature to grasp their own mental adolescence, much as post-pubescent
 BS> teenagers are convinced they've grown up even though they haven't.  The
 BS> best thing for all would be for them to slither back into the muck,
 BS> where the 12-year-old mentality of name-calling and mud-slinging is
 BS> actually appreciated as an art form.  I won't hold my breath for them to
 BS> leave, nor to shape up and carry an actual intellectual conversation.  I
 BS> suspect they'll have to be thrown out, if we can locate the moderator.
 BS> Where is Rev. Null?
   Painful as it may be, I'm not sure that depriving them of free speech is
the answer.  Juveniles CAN learn self-criticism and fair intellectual 
xchange
but one should not expect it to happen overnight.  One must not hesitate, of
course, to refute such childishness for that is the only way they learn.  You
are probably right about their being mostly refugees from Holysmoke because I
do recall that that echo exists for atheists to flail away at Fundamentalists
just as the Skeptics echo has little content other than Creationism vs
Evolution although SOME valid thought exchange takes place even there
depending on the people linked to it at any given moment.
   While PHIL does have the invaders regularly and some try to usurp the 
hole
stage for moments the regular philosophical exchange never really subsides 
nd
those who would teach us HOW THINGS REALLY ARE (grin) come and go.  I think
Rev Null checked out a long time ago - at least we've heard nothing from him. 
 
Sincerely, 
                                     Frank
                                                                              
                                                       
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