CF>Read what David wrote again Carey. Though co-developers of V.FC, Hayes was 
a
First, that reply had been setting in my outbox for quite a while.
(I've got a nasty habit of letting messages age.  I just got rid of some
from early January.  And I've currently got more than 40 still sitting
there.) Second, I don't even remember all what was said in the original
message. Third, what I do remember, though, was a long long message.
CF>departure for the greener pastures of Redmond, Washington). Presently,
CF>3COM/USR and ZyXEL are the only players in the commodity modem market that
CF>still "roll their own", _all_ the others are using chipset solutions.
What about Vocal, GAO, etc.?  Who do they sell to?  Not everybody is
buying Rockwell chips.  Somebody has to be buying, or they wouldn't be
in business.
CF>Not quite true, non-USR V.32terbo modems were just unable to attain the
CF>21.6Kbps signalling rate possible between two USRs, they worked quite well 
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CF>the 16.8 and 19.2Kbps signalling rates.
I didn't anywhere say USR didn't also support standard 'official'
v.32terbo.  (And I didn't think I implied it, although judging from the
number of replies I've got, a lot of people erroneously infered it.)
Only that, USR didn't create v.32terbo itself, that AT&T did.  And that
although USR did indeed 'create' their own extended v.32terbo, that it
was not the same v.32terbo that everybody else used. That USR's extended
version was incompatible with anyone elses v.32terbo.  USR extended it,
but didn't change its name (how about v.32terbo+...?), which would imply
that the version they did create (and publicize) _was_ v.32terbo.  The
same v.32terbo that everybody else was using.  It wasn't.  And that you
could thank USR for the v.32terbo that 'everybody' was using.  You
couldn't.
The part of the original message I responded to strongly implied
(possibly explicitly.  I can't remember.  Been too long and the message
was way too long.) that USR created v.32terbo.  They didn't.  All they
did was create their own incompatabile, proprietary extension to
v.32terbo, but left the name the same, implying it was still the same
old v.32terbo that everybody else used.
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