FromTheRafters  wrote in
news:lrtio7$ndd$1@speranza.aioe.org: 

> After serious thinking Dustin wrote :
>> FromTheRafters  wrote in
>> news:lrte22$r6t$1 @news2.open-news-network.org: 
>>
>>> Dustin was thinking very hard :
>>>> "David W. Hodgins"  wrote in 
>>>> news:op.xj4xbphsa3w0dxdave@hodgins.homeip.net: 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 11:18:40 -0400, Wolf K
>>>>>   wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2014-08-05 9:58 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>>>>>> I disagree with this usage when in this context. These
>>>>>>> entities exist and are accessed before there is a file
>>>>>>> system extant to access true  files. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "True" files????
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now we're getting into the semantics of what a file is. I do
>>>>> agree the boot sector and bios contain data. I don't agree
>>>>> that they are files. A file has a name, that is accessible
>>>>> from the os. Neither of the above have names. While some
>>>>> programs can read/write them, a general file browser cannot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>>>> 
>>>> I agree with you and FTR on this one.  
>>> 
>>> However, this is what a "file" is becoming most likely. This
>>> context is  quite different from the context we should be using
>>> here. 
>>
>> You can obviously see the potential for abuse this will provide?
>>  
>>> http://research.microsoft.com/apps/pubs/?id=154539
>>
>> Frightening....
>>
>> We suggest that one aspect of this adaptation is to encompass
>> metadata within a file abstraction; another has to do what such a
>> shift would mean for enduring user actions such as ‘copy’ and
>> ‘delete’ applicable to the deriving file types. We finish by
>> arguing that there is an especial need to support the notion of
>> ‘ownership’ that adequately serves both users and engineers
>> as they engage with the world of networked sociality. 
>>
>> engineers? What a fancy term for er, Microsoft programmer. :)
> 
> I can see it now
> Definition:
> 
> File - an internet standard devised by Microsoft to create an 
> abstraction for anything a user might need an abstraction for.

Rafters what's an abstraction?
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