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echo: philos
to: MARK BLOSS
from: BOB SEWELL
date: 1998-04-02 18:47:00
subject: `Existence Exists`

 In a deposition submitted under oath, Mark Bloss said:
 BS> Did you get a chance to ponder my questions to you about God and
 BS> His reasons for requiring faith in Him?
 MB>  I can't say I can remember the post
    Well, I've let my original question scroll off, but perhaps I can
 reconstruct some of it from the portions of your quotes, to which mine
 were addressed, found in another message still on my system.
 MB>> Because it takes faith to believe in Him, and to evidence Himself
 MB>> would mean that God somehow must prove Himself,
    I "evidence myself" to people daily, my family, friends, coworkers,
 the clerk at the convenience store where I buy gas, etc., and yet I
 don't do it because I have to prove myself to them.  Why is it
 different for God?
 MB>> so that I would
 MB>> then not need faith to believe in Him.  If He proved Himself so 
 MB>> that faith is not required to believe in Him, then His purpose
 MB>> for me is diminished, ie, I do not develop faith, which is an 
 MB>> attribute _of_ God.
    Why does God need this attribute?  What is there for Him to have
 faith in?
 MB>> He exists because it would be impossible for my limited
 MB>>  imagination to understand a universe _without_ God.
    God's existence or non-existence does not hinge on the strength or
 weakness of your imagination.  He is either there or he isn't,
 independent of you.
 MB> - but I would first need to know
 MB>  _why_ you submit the question - by that I mean - what requirment of
 MB>  faith is there?
    That's why I asked.  It makes no sense to me why there would be a
 requirement for faith.
 MB> Is God limited by a lack of faith in Him?
    You mean, like he draws strength from our faith, like a vampire
 sucking blood for his life?  I doubt it.  I wouldn't think a being
 powerful enough to create the universe wouldn't need to feed off His
 creation.
 MB> Or are we rewarded for believing _whatever_ we are taught,
 MB>  whether it is true or false, or ambiguous, simply by believing?
    I dunno.
 MB>  Regardless of these prerequisites, I can say, that I believe that the
 MB>  requirment of faith is a given; if on the one hand science requires
 MB>  physical evidence, and on the other hand faith requires that one
 MB> should  never hold any possibility as being impossible.
    But that leaves one open to believing anything.  How does one choose
 what to believe and what to disbelieve, as far as things requiring
 faith?
... Faigh an gleas.
--- PPoint 2.05
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