JFD> My point is that some places go a bit.... Overboard.
 JFD> Schools, which are supposed to be teaching tolerance (among other
 JFD> things) are one of top perp's in the "overboard" department kicking
TR> I agree that some of the schools go overboard, but you have
TR> to remember that school policy is not the law. Schools are
In some cases it is.  The rules on weapons and drugs at
schools are backed up by law.  Carry either on school
grounds and go to jail.
TR> sounds like it might work. Please keep in mind two beginning
TR> points: 1) school policy is not public law; 2) the police
TR> enforce public law, not school policy. This may confuse some
You're missing the point I'm trying to make.  Schools
now have ZT and it has gotten out of control.  What is
to prevent it to get out of control is the police
forces?
TR> dual role. The police officer is a school official until a
TR> public law is broken in their presence, and then they have
TR> full police powers and are acting as a police officer. I
TR> realize that I opened a can of worms.  Even after
And a police officer is just a city worker until a
crime is committed, so?  BTW, the crime doesn't have to
be committed if front of him.
TR> to the discussion. If there is a complaint to be filed
TR> against the police officer while he or she is working for
TR> the school, the complaint is filed with the school board,
TR> not the police department. I told you that I opened a can of
Not from the way I understand it.  The only difference
between an office in the school and one on the street
is his beat.  Some schools, I have heard, have security
guards who are off duty cops.  If that was the case I
might buy it.  Also I've seen LEOs in full uniform
acting as security guards at the local Wal Mart.  I
would think this would bring some really sticky
questions if something happened.  Was he acting as a
Wal Mart employee, a private contractor or as a city
employee?
TR> most of the rules. You might also wish to consider that
TR> these rules are generally made at the school board, not by
TR> the individual school principal. The school board makes some
To go to the extreme, the rules for the SS guards were
made by higher ups but they were enforcing them.  That
makes them responsible.  If a principal enforces a
rule, such as the one they tried to use with my
daughter, that causes harm then he is going to be held
responsible.  The 'just following orders' only appears
to work for FBI employees.
TR> step further. If you didn't address the carrying and
TR> distribution of unknown substances, knowing of the potential
TR> problem, would you have a liability problem? I think that
TR> you know the answer to this question, "YES". I mentioned
TR> sugar cubes because they have already been mentioned in
TR> previous messages, and they have been used to distribute
TR> potent and dangerous illegal drugs. If you had the
TR> RESPONSIBILITY of dealing with this, what kind of rules
TR> might you make?
Simple rules that allowed for a fair redress of
grievances.  IOW, I wouldn't want a rule that forced me
to expel a straight A, never been in trouble before,
college bound student because the police found a single
marijuana seen in the floor of the car he had driven to
school that day.  I'd want to be able to use some
common sense to say; 'One seed.  That could have gotten
in there in any number of ways.  His father might have
dropped it for all I know.'
TR> rules. I would simply ask you, what kind of rules would you
TR> make if you were the one responsible? Ask yourself this
TR> question before you are too critical of the school policies
TR> in your neck of the woods.
I did and as I stated once the school officials
realized that they were placing themselves in a spot
that could cost them big time they changed the rules.
Rules made out of ignorance are more danger then no
rules at all.
Look at the gun control issue if you want to see what I
mean.  In most major cities it is illegal to carry a
firearm.  This was to make sure that people were safe
from bad guys.  What they didn't think of was all this
did was make the good guys nice fat targets for the bad
guys who never followed the law to began with.  As more
and more strict laws were passed the good guys became
easier and easier targets.  A bad guy with a stick had
nothing to worry about because his target was unarmed
and he could always wait until there wasn't a cop
around.
With ZT on illegal firearms you wind up jailing some
poor slob who just used said illegal firearm to save
his life.  You also made it a lot easier for anyone he
had to shot to sue him.  Now he winds in jail and
trying to save his home because he was trying to stay
alive.
                      Remember:  Freedom isn't Free!
--- timEd-B11
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