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KR> when that middle class, though find out how much power they really have
KR> then the system is in danger, and that is what is happening in china.

Nope. What ACTUALLY happened is that some extremely draconian methods
were used to suppress those who are capable of organising things effectively
for themselves, and eventually that couldnt be sustained forever, particularly
when some like Deng had the sense to realise that the monolithic bureaucratic
approach cant ever hope to get anything like the same results. That was dead
fucking obvious by comparing what HongKong achieved compared with anything
comparable in China itself, or Taiwan.

In fact what he attempted was to give them the freedom of movement
in the economic sense WITHOUT allowing them to have any real say
on 'power' It can be done, Taiwan did it. So did Singapore.

KR> the middle class are finding out that they
KR> can use their experience for their own ends.

Yes, but thats got nothing to do with political power.

And where it did come conspicuously unstuck in China, it was
the usual problem of kids in tertiary education etc, nothing
to do with any middle class attempting to seize political power.

What the chinese middle class basically wants is to be allowed to carry
on regardless, making money, with the absolute minimum of interference by
government, and they certainly aint interested in farting around getting
involved in the political process on the whole. Let alone getting 'power'
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