On 09/27/2016 11:14 AM, mark lewis -> rick christian wrote:

 ml> that must have been before Ray Gwinn (yes, the x00 fossil author)
 ml> released SIO for OS/2...


Ummm.. I left in late '99 due to job relocation and some other things...

 ml> yup... AFAIK SIO on OS/2 is the only way one can use the vmodem protocol...

Well that probably is part of why I never really paid much attention I
didn't do OS2! I was dragged kicking and screaming from my DOS world
heavily customized with 4DOS and FANSI-CONSOLE to winstupper...in the ~ 5
years or so from that to eXtremely stuPidows.. then I moved to Linux full
time via Knoppix with KDE 3 right before that one went down the Linux Holy
Roller route ie: "It must be open! ! ! "

 ml> to avoid the scanner bots on port 23, choose any other port... you can
 ml> use 3141 if you like... i was just pointing out that vmodem normally
 ml> runs on that port...

Well I was thinking that putting it there might be "correct"
since this is some sort of "VMODEM" but from what it appears this
is probably not the same protocol.

And dosxbox would need to be run as root to get below 1024! And that ain't happening!

I get plenty of scans on stuff... but since SSH and a select few are the
only ones passed through.. they get bubckious... I chose to leave SSH v.
something else in the off chance I run into things blocking non standard
ports which I have with some VPN services and LAN's.

 ml> so they say ;)

I spend alot of time using them... If I blow up a VM.. no biggie... I go
back to the base image, and go on from there after I triage what went
wrong..

Thats why I despise compiling since it takes 3-4-5-x-x- times to try get it
work when the instructions mostly leave out the key things, namely
dependencies..

I don't install anything till I read, read, read, read, then read read read
again, and thats for a DEB!

I need to know what it is going to do to things that could potentially muck
up things.

Once I get things to a stable level, then I will install to physical
hardware if applicable or create a VM and repeat installs from my notes to
get error free operations.

 ml> hahahaha... i'd probably fall back to QEMU from quarterdeck because i
 ml> know it... no clue if it would even work with today's stuff, though...

I am not sure if you need it as DOSbox I think tries to provide a lot of
this...like EMS/XMS etc..there is a lack of info, or info at the level I
prefer on setup and use.

I used QEMU for a long time then TLB came along.. and it ran rings around
QEMU. I got more memory, I think because one of the newer units I built had
one of the needed chipsets that would do some of the extra magic that QEMU
couldn't I was getting like 760K free DOS or something silly and thats with
FANSI-CONSOLE loaded, 4DOS etc...

I think it and Terminate were about the only thing at that time I actually
paid registrations for.. the rest was shareware and lived with its limits
like Silver Xpress and SLMR.

 ml> joho was very forward thinking... frontdoor was the first to offer this
 ml> capability...

That definitely happened after '99 then... or if not I didn't pay attention
to it in the updates.. I used uucp to get news and mail till then.. 
relocation brought ISDN, and then finally cable based internet.


 ml> #filegate.net
 ml> #74.167.111.188
 ml> Vquinnspost.nodelist.net
 ml> 000-192.168.99.23

 ml> frontdoor development stopped before the nodelist INA flag was put into
 ml> use so a lot of stuff has to be done manually instead of reading from
 ml> the nodelist unless someone wants to write a tool to convert the
 ml> distributed nodelist to the form that frontdoor can read directly... it
 ml> is easy enough to do


Is there something that outlines what conversions need to be done for FD..
I think I've found 2.26 and a 2.12 SL's or basically read in the domain
names in the one field and move them to the phone # location in the
nodelist sort of like a FDNODE.txt similar to the binkd list that its
little script makes from the raw nodelist.

I can possibly write a BASH or python script to take nodelist.999 in and
spit out something for FD to read... maybe even PHP as an option..

 ml> and there are still examples using '000-' as their
 ml> areacode to signal that the following numbers are an IPv4 number...

Yeah.. I read that in reading the nodelist notes...but I see mostly
"unpublished" for nearly 90+% of things.. so this conversion
would need to be done.

That clue probably saved me from dropping the experiment when it barfed on
the node list...

 ml> IPv6  is different and requires additional conversions... SIO doesn't do IPv6

I don't do IPv6 either... that is proof that engineers should not be
allowed to set standards without supervision! :) ;)

And honestly does EVERYTHING on the planet need an IP???? ;)