-=> Quoting Cloyce Osborn to Steve Gunhouse on 06-09-96  08:55 <=-
 Re: Re: Dusters?
 SG> I've seen the term "slicker" applied to other coats, so I'm not certain.
 SG> A duster is knee-length and features sort of a short cape. It is also
 SG> split in the back (for riding presumably), and has a flap on the front 
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 SG> cover the buttons (to keep the dust out). A good one is typically made 
f
 SG> oilcloth - so it's also good in rain. Mine's more of a modern 
quivalent,
 SG> with snaps instead of buttons.
 CO> We're talking about the same thing (I think).  Mine are a little
 CO> longer than knee length, coming down nearly to the ankles.  I use them
 CO> as raincoats.
Depends on how tall you are, I guess. Actually, mine is calf-length on
me. And of course, around here (especially this year) we have little call
for raincoats. Wish we needed them more, honestly. :-(
 SG> We also use 1897s in the cowboy shoots, if you can find them. 
ersonally,
 SG> I don't believe in "amputating" guns - especially as you can buy a
 SG> Mossberg "Persuader" or Winchester "Defender" which comes with an 18.5 
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 SG> 20 inch barrel and holds 7-8 rounds. Simple surgery on an 1897 won't do
 SG> that. ;-)
 CO> I just pulled out one of my 97's and it will hold six 2 3/4 inch
 CO> shells in the magazine.  add one in the chamber and you've got a total
 CO> of seven.  If you need more than seven rounds, call Vern and ask for a
 CO> battalion fire mission! :-)
If it gets that bad, I'll call the 3rd ADA. They're a bit closer.
My Defender is flat black with a synthetic stock (a standard
configuration). As a defense gun, I think that ought to have a better
psychological effect than a blued or stainless gun with a wooden stock -
well, if the bad guy can even see it.
I have a Marlin 19 (a 1905 revision of their '98, which in turn is a copy
of the Winchester '97) which also holds 6+1. I wonder why it has become
more common to have 4-5 round magazines?
 CO> I've looked at both the Persuader and the Defenders.  Was not
 CO> impressed, I'll stick to my 1897's, thank you.  Amputating guns is no
 CO> big deal, especially if the gun has already been severely abused, as,
 CO> for example, being fired with mud in the muzzle.
In that case, you don't really have much choice.
 SG> I've mentioned it before, out here we have something refered to as a car
 SG> gun. Anyone can legally carry a longarm in their car any time - except
 SG> of course on military bases and such. Naturally, in that case the 
horter
 SG> the better. The Defender would be a good car gun, but a coach gun might
 SG> be even better. Plus of course the psychological effect of looking down
 SG> "both barrels". (But my car gun is usually either a 9mm Camp Carbine or 

 SG> .44 model 94, no particular reason.)
 CO> There's no doubt about the psychological effect of a side by side
 CO> double. Nothing like looking down two pieces of drill pipe to take the
 CO> fight out of a man.
 CO> As far as a "car gun", it kinda depends upon where you are.  In
 CO> Oklahoma, for instance, you can't carry anything that's magazine or
 CO> chamber loaded.  That's why so many folks have started carrying loaded
 CO> magazines in our pockets.
Well, not all places can be somewhat reasonable. :-(
Out here, they take rule 1 seriously - not one of our laws distinguishes
between loaded and unloaded. (You know, "Treat every gun as if it is
loaded.") Other than the new CHL law, they also don't distinguish between
how it is carried - in plain sight, concealed, or out of reach. Though
naturally, "in plain sight" is asking for trouble.
 SG> My own doubles are a Damascus-barreled Baker and a Fox model B, and I
 SG> have no inclination to cut either at this point.
 CO> And I don't blame you a bit.
The Fox isn't really anything special. But anyone who would suggest
cutting down the Baker has no sense at all. Or your H&H for that matter.
Someone can reasonably suggest cutting down a "utility-grade" gun - and
the Fox is close to that - but the others are "works of art".
The Fox model B - or this one anyway - was made by Savage as a fairly
inexpensive double. Now, any of the original A. H. Fox guns is probably a
different story. Book value in "good" condition is only in the $300-500
range, as opposed to $750 for the least expensive A. H. Fox (up to
several thousand). IOW, if you were to suggest cutting it (or actually do
that), it's not really a big deal. It's no different from your '97 in
terms of value. But if I had one of the real Foxes ... that would be
sacrilege.
Steve
... Gun: A simple tool for making holes ... at a distance!
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